Elite: General talk

25 Nov 2020, 9:34pm
Rotwhylr
DadebluntsI have a question for all the people complaining about gankers killing people and what not, and ignoring that they teach new players not to stick around in populated areas without a proper ship.

Why dont YOU do something about it.

Make a PvP build, go to starter systems or hotspots, start defending people.



Well, for starters you have the catch-22 that the gankers tend to hang out in the very systems that noobs need to go to in order to build a "proper ship". Also, at the point that a noob has invested time, effort, credits, and materials into buying and building and engineering a "proper ship", I don't think I would call them a noob. Still plenty green, but they should be savvy enough by then that I wouldn't worry about them catching a gank.

As was ArtifactHunter mentioned, yeah, there are people who defend noobs. But you know what? It's not my job to go fix every broken thing out there.

Serious question: what is the fun in seal-clubbing? Why build a finely tuned and exhaustively engineered FDL, master FA-off, etc, and then attack players with nowhere near the means or knowledge to pose even a remote threat?


Exactly — the issue isn't a lack of a response from more experienced players, but instead the sheer amount of people that get a rise out of making people miserable, and even for experienced players, it's significantly harder to get out of a player interdiction than it is a bot interdiction.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:16am
25 Nov 2020, 9:41pm
ArtifactHunter_
Aleksander Majjam
DadebluntsI have a question for all the people complaining about gankers killing people and what not, and ignoring that they teach new players not to stick around in populated areas without a proper ship.

Why dont YOU do something about it.

Make a PvP build, go to starter systems or hotspots, start defending people.




LMAO.

Player - "Why did you destroy me? I was minding my own business."
Ganker - "I'm a teacher and it's my duty to teach you that you can't fly wherever you want. Get a better ship."
Player - "I was on my way to do engineering."
Ganker - "I'm a teacher and it's my duty to teach you that you can't fly wherever you want. Get a better ship."
Player - "......"

--

Player - "Why did you destroy me? I was minding my own business."
Ganker - "I'm a teacher and it's my duty to teach you that you can't fly wherever you want. Get a better ship."
Player - "I was on my way to do an activity to get credits to upgrade my ship."
Ganker - "I'm a teacher and it's my duty to teach you that you can't fly wherever you want. Get a better ship."
Player - "......"

--

Player - "Wow. That tutorial was pretty helpful. Time to get out there and explore."
*3 mins later*
Player - "Why did you destroy me? I'm new. I was minding my own business."
Ganker - "I'm a teacher and it's my duty to teach you that you can't fly wherever you want. Get a better ship."
*10 mins later*
Player - "Another random person killing me?"
Ganker - "I'm a teacher and it's my duty to teach you that you can't fly wherever you want. Get a better ship."
Player - "......"

--

Player - *Uninstalls ED and installs a game that's newbie friendly, where great communication occurs, where PvE and PvP can be enjoyed with robust populations in an MMO environment, and it is his choice to engage in PvP if he so desires*



I've literally seen griefers and gankers use this exact argument in Shinrarta Dezhra, Engineering systems, and CG zones.


It's a dumb excuse. What can you possibly teach a fairly new CMDR in ganking that he can't already find out by studying youtube and all the other great 3rd party ED sites?

The one thing I loved about The Division is that it introduces the player to the MMO multiplayer by pairing the new player up with other players for PvE missions first. When their level is appropriate, then PvP is unlocked for them. The very first mission in the PvP zone is done without real players to introduce the player to mechanics of PvP, how it works, what they can be rewarded with, and what's at stake. After that, the player is on their own. It's a great build-up for getting players used to PvE first and then transitioning them over to PvP.

ED's version of this is a very piss-poor tutorial and then sending brand new players to get slaughtered by bored gank trolls under the guise of "teaching them".


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:16am
25 Nov 2020, 9:58pm
Ryan Murdoc. There are plenty who say they do so but only camouflage their selfish needs to dominate others due to their inadequacies in RL.



Please stop the armchair moralizing. And quit presuming to be the judge of when someone's RP is "real"... and really quit claiming that people have personal inadequacies because they engage in combat in a game that encourages combat.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:16am
25 Nov 2020, 9:58pm
RotwhylrWell, for starters you have the catch-22 that the gankers tend to hang out in the very systems that noobs need to go to in order to build a "proper ship".

The obvious solution is to do the engineering in solo and switch to open when it's done. Worked for me.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:16am
25 Nov 2020, 10:05pm
Sakashiro
RotwhylrWell, for starters you have the catch-22 that the gankers tend to hang out in the very systems that noobs need to go to in order to build a "proper ship".


The obvious solution is to do the engineering in solo and switch to open when it's done. Worked for me.


How many hours have you invested total in ED?


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:16am
25 Nov 2020, 10:21pm
Aleksander MajjamHow many hours have you invested total in ED?

7 weeks and 4 days, according to the stats page. That includes some time spent afk though, with the client running in the background.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:17am
25 Nov 2020, 10:25pm
Sakashiro
Aleksander MajjamHow many hours have you invested total in ED?


7 weeks and 4 days, according to the stats page. That includes some time spent afk though, with the client running in the background.


Out of the 1200 or so hours you've played, what % has been spent in solo vs open?


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:17am
25 Nov 2020, 10:46pm
Ryan Murdoc
RenraikuThis tells you absolutely nothing about the person in real life at all. You are deluding yourself if you think this. Playing a video game is automatically not reality and therefore the same rules do not apply as the real world.



The very moment you play a game which has other people playing it alongside you it becomes Reality for everyone involved. You as well as everyone else are responsible for the things that are said and done and will be judged accordingly by others. Same as what you do or say outside of any game that involves a community of people. Trying to play it down or making it sound as if that doesn't apply to you doesn't change one bit about it being fact.

And regarding how certain types of Personalities of people are reflected in the way they play games you might want to check the Internet. It can be quite enlightening.


This type of thinking can get kind of dangerous. Reality is reality. A game is a game, even if it's a game universe most folks share. It's been a while since you and I have spoken, so I'm not sure what state your life is in where you're quick to substitute a game for reality, but I can tell you that kind of thinking usually isn't very healthy.

I'd also caution against trying to extrapolate someone's personality based on actions they take in pretend environments. Roleplaying - or pretending to be something you aren't - is a thing in Elite, after all.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:18am
25 Nov 2020, 11:25pm
Aleksander MajjamOut of the 1200 or so hours you've played, what % has been spent in solo vs open?

Most of it was solo. I didn't spend much time in open until I had a cheap, gank-proof ship, the Courier.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:18am
25 Nov 2020, 11:44pm
As someone who had one encouter with a ganker too many then I care for (even if that was before E:D) I play in private group/solo only.

A while back I linked this video in the OOC-section of the Roleplay treads:



In my experience gankers who pretend to be 'roleplaying' fall under what JoCat here calls the "Stupid Alignment".

That being said I also agree that we should drop the topic for now before it escalates into something that Artie might need to shut down.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:18am
25 Nov 2020, 11:50pm
Amata Lirein<there is only one last thing to be said and I will determine it>


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:18am
25 Nov 2020, 11:54pm
_Nemix_
Amata Lirein<there is only one last thing to be said and I will determine it>



There is never a last word... just watch modern news LOL


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:18am
25 Nov 2020, 11:57pm
_Nemix_
Amata Lirein<there is only one last thing to be said and I will determine it>



Yeah, sure, because the word "should" that I used does not imply a suggestion... oh wait, it does!

Please do NOT twist anyones' words around.


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:18am
26 Nov 2020, 12:02am
Amata Lirein
_Nemix_
Amata Lirein<there is only one last thing to be said and I will determine it>





Yeah, sure, because the word "should" that I used does not imply a suggestion... oh wait, it does!

Please do NOT twist anyones' words around.


but if you do not do that, then people who dont read back, well its like news sound bites... see what I did there.  I know what you meant, not that it matters, but yeah some folks...


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 26 Nov 2020, 11:19am
26 Nov 2020, 12:10am

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