Synthya WylderI checked Eve Online out before I decided to buy E:D.

I clearly recall a saying by 1 group: "We're not here to ruin the game. We're here to ruin YOUR game."

Amata Lirein

Synthya WylderI checked Eve Online out before I decided to buy E:D.

I clearly recall a saying by 1 group: "We're not here to ruin the game. We're here to ruin YOUR game."

Yeah, that's the same group Mittani was the head of back then. No idea if he still is. That group goes by the name "GoonSwarm" btw.

Anyway, that action was one of the very few occasions CCP actually handed out a ban (IIRC it was 6 months?). GoonSwarm went livid because of that because it also meant that Mittani got kicked out of the player council that works with the Devs to improve the game. He just a) got voted in and b) managed to achieve the most votes as well, making him council president.

The carebears (and other victims of GoonSwarm) celebrated that on the forums for weeks.

Igneel PrimeEVE and its community might have that reputation but even there people are nice and more so than in Elite (at least in my experience) you get people messaging you afterwards about genuinely improving.

Sakashiro

Igneel PrimeEVE and its community might have that reputation but even there people are nice and more so than in Elite (at least in my experience) you get people messaging you afterwards about genuinely improving.

Since I started playing in open, I've been sending friend requests to anyone who tried to gank me. Very few of those were denied. I wasn't sure if that would increase my chance of getting ganked because now everyone can see the star system I'm in, so people could easily hunt me down if they wanted to. But none of that happened. In fact I think it decreased my chance of getting ganked, to the point that these days I can even supercruise through Deciat for extended periods of time without any interdictions happening (except by NPCs).

Gank evasion can be learned, and I would argue that it offers greater excitement and a sense of achievement than most other activities in the game. Also worth mentioning is the "Gank Evasion Academy" discord where gankers share all the info one needs to survive gank attempts, and even offer training sessions. By now I've survived so many ganks (including some 3v1) that I consider my ship pretty much gank-proof, and many of the folks who helped me get to that point are gankers themselves.

Amata LireinOh, I used to play EVE as well, and truth be told: EVE-players kind of earned themselves that reputation for good reasons (Mittani-Gate anyone, when the leader of the largest player group in game tried to get a specific player ganked so often that he would commit suicide in RL (yes, that happened)?)

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Amata LireinOh, I used to play EVE as well, and truth be told: EVE-players kind of earned themselves that reputation for good reasons (Mittani-Gate anyone, when the leader of the largest player group in game tried to get a specific player ganked so often that he would commit suicide in RL (yes, that happened)?)

This I remember

ArtifactHunter_

Spud_

Amata LireinOh, I used to play EVE as well, and truth be told: EVE-players kind of earned themselves that reputation for good reasons (Mittani-Gate anyone, when the leader of the largest player group in game tried to get a specific player ganked so often that he would commit suicide in RL (yes, that happened)?)

This I remember

This is, sincerely, one of the most sadistic things I've ever heard. I still don't understand ganking to begin with - I understand people use video game violence to take the edge off, but doing it to real players who just want to relax to begin with after a hard day? That's cruel.

ArtifactHunter_

Spud_

Amata LireinOh, I used to play EVE as well, and truth be told: EVE-players kind of earned themselves that reputation for good reasons (Mittani-Gate anyone, when the leader of the largest player group in game tried to get a specific player ganked so often that he would commit suicide in RL (yes, that happened)?)

This I remember

This is, sincerely, one of the most sadistic things I've ever heard. I still don't understand ganking to begin with - I understand people use video game violence to take the edge off, but doing it to real players who just want to relax to begin with after a hard day? That's cruel.

Amata Lirein

ArtifactHunter_

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This I remember

This is, sincerely, one of the most sadistic things I've ever heard. I still don't understand ganking to begin with - I understand people use video game violence to take the edge off, but doing it to real players who just want to relax to begin with after a hard day? That's cruel.

Oh, you don't know half of it. The player in question was actually suffering from suicidal thoughts. The game and its vast emptiness in the right regions managed to calm him down and served as an anchor to keep him grounded during therapy. When Mittani and GoonSwarm learned about it they started hunting him; their modus operandi is "We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game!" after all.

ArtifactHunter_

Amata Lirein

ArtifactHunter_



This is, sincerely, one of the most sadistic things I've ever heard. I still don't understand ganking to begin with - I understand people use video game violence to take the edge off, but doing it to real players who just want to relax to begin with after a hard day? That's cruel.

Oh, you don't know half of it. The player in question was actually suffering from suicidal thoughts. The game and its vast emptiness in the right regions managed to calm him down and served as an anchor to keep him grounded during therapy. When Mittani and GoonSwarm learned about it they started hunting him; their modus operandi is "We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game!" after all.

I feel like that should be a bannable offense, but, unfortunately, I suppose they technically didn't break any in-game rules. However, trying to convince someone to kill themself is a criminal offense in many countries, so they may have broken real laws.

XeknosThe Goonswarm is currently in the fight for their lives atm. Every few years, a bunch of other corps band together and drive the Goonswarm out of wherever their base is, so this isn't anything new, but the current conflict seems to have the goal of driving them out of EvE once and for all. I can only wonder if actually driving someone to kill themselves IRL was the bridge too far for most folk. Or if the two events are even remotely related.

Sakashiro

Since I started playing in open, I've been sending friend requests to anyone who tried to gank me. Very few of those were denied. I wasn't sure if that would increase my chance of getting ganked because now everyone can see the star system I'm in, so people could easily hunt me down if they wanted to. But none of that happened. In fact I think it decreased the risk, to the point that these days I can even supercruise through Deciat for extended periods of time without any interdictions happening (except by NPCs).

Gank evasion can be learned, and I would argue that it offers greater excitement and a sense of achievement than most other activities in the game. Also worth mentioning is the "Gank Evasion Academy" discord where gankers share all the info one needs to survive gank attempts, and even offer training sessions. By now I've survived so many ganks (including some 3v1) that I consider my ship pretty much gank-proof, and many of the folks who helped me get to that point are gankers themselves.

ArtifactHunter_

Amata LireinWhen Mittani and GoonSwarm learned about it they started hunting him

I feel like that should be a bannable offense, but, unfortunately, I suppose they technically didn't break any in-game rules. However, trying to convince someone to kill themself is a criminal offense in many countries, so they may have broken real laws.

Sakashiro

ArtifactHunter_

Amata LireinWhen Mittani and GoonSwarm learned about it they started hunting him

I feel like that should be a bannable offense, but, unfortunately, I suppose they technically didn't break any in-game rules. However, trying to convince someone to kill themself is a criminal offense in many countries, so they may have broken real laws.

I guess it depends on how they learned about it and whether they could tell that it was serious.

Playing a multiplayer game, especially one in which virtual violence is a normal occurrence, probably wasn't an ideal approach to therapy.