Xeknos

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Xeknos



You want to be careful using that term, also. Comparing PvP to something like rape is both disingenuous and, frankly, deeply offensive.

Being temporarily inconvenienced in a video game is not at all comparable to a horrific and traumatic event.

I'm not comparing it to rape.  I'm trying to find an expression that encompasses a PvP encounter to which one side literally does not consent, particularly in light of the largely fruitless attempts to have agreement over what constitutes ganking or griefing.  The term "non-consensual" is not owned by one set of people, and has legitimate uses outside the context of sexual assault.  See also: non-consensual medical intervention, non-consensual monitoring or surveillance, etc.

Do you have a better way to describe that kind of encounter? Also, do you have any thoughts on the point I was trying to make?

I'd argue that PvP in Open is *always* consensual simply by virtue of both parties being present in Open Play. As I said earlier, simply clicking Open could be construed as consent to the consequences thereof. And getting potentially blown up by another commander is a consequence.

The conversation changes, of course, if both commanders are part of a Private Group that specifically outlaws PvP, but no rule is in place for Open.

We can also argue that Frontier may need to do a better job of communicating the risks one takes when clicking that Open Play button...

XeknosI'd argue that PvP in Open is *always* consensual simply by virtue of both parties being present in Open Play. As I said earlier, simply clicking Open could be construed as consent to the consequences thereof. And getting potentially blown up by another commander is a consequence.

Sakashiro

XeknosI'd argue that PvP in Open is *always* consensual simply by virtue of both parties being present in Open Play. As I said earlier, simply clicking Open could be construed as consent to the consequences thereof. And getting potentially blown up by another commander is a consequence.

"She left her home, wearing a short skirt. Clearly she was asking for it. Didn't put up much of a fight either."

Sakashiro

XeknosI'd argue that PvP in Open is *always* consensual simply by virtue of both parties being present in Open Play. As I said earlier, simply clicking Open could be construed as consent to the consequences thereof. And getting potentially blown up by another commander is a consequence.

"She left her home, wearing a short skirt. Clearly she was asking for it. Didn't put up much of a fight either."

Sakashiro

XeknosI'd argue that PvP in Open is *always* consensual simply by virtue of both parties being present in Open Play. As I said earlier, simply clicking Open could be construed as consent to the consequences thereof. And getting potentially blown up by another commander is a consequence.

"She left her home, wearing a short skirt. Clearly she was asking for it. Didn't put up much of a fight either."

Xeknos

Sakashiro

XeknosI'd argue that PvP in Open is *always* consensual simply by virtue of both parties being present in Open Play. As I said earlier, simply clicking Open could be construed as consent to the consequences thereof. And getting potentially blown up by another commander is a consequence.

"She left her home, wearing a short skirt. Clearly she was asking for it. Didn't put up much of a fight either."

Oof.

EpisparhJust a small remark. Upon starting the game ... if you choose the default option to to do the training mission the game put you in open without any consent or information. This is related to the seal clubbing.

And for the progress lost ... apparently some guys forget that it is not the CR that are the harm. Imagine a guy going to Maia and back to Deciat in a cobra with a single meta-alloy by using the default route plotting which is economical.... How much time you think a guy spend to go there and back?
... in this case I saw some gankers finding such a case felt sorry and contacted their targets to give them the meta-alloy which is kind but a rare case.

Igneel Prime

And what do you expect "Excuse me sir can you be bothered to be attacked or is there significant progress that you would lose upon spontaneously combusting?"

Sakashiro

Xeknos

Sakashiro


"She left her home, wearing a short skirt. Clearly she was asking for it. Didn't put up much of a fight either."

Oof.

Just pointing out why some people compare it to rape. The idea that people switch to open because they consent to ganking is a bit far fetched, don't you think?

Igneel Prime


But there is the fact that they fly in open knowing they're not equipped to deal with players who are out to kill them and then scream as soon as they get looked at. They go where the gankers are (Open) and complain about gankers. Yes FDev does a very poor job at delivering that information to new players but there's no excuse for players who have been around for a bit. All that Frontier would have to do is throw community tutorials in their face. Like link them to Exigeous.