Draxxa KirethShe is right, War is often a catalyst for science and research....think of radar, Jets, atomic bomb, and so many things....and often a "play ground"for new technologis...think of the first Iraq war...was mostly a testbed...

but the reason to wage war is usually econominc (resources (Iraq II someone?)), political (diverting soical unrest or cultural binding) or religion (allthough that is usuall based on economics)...

Erinia ScantyarThat´s the problem everywhere. The ignore buttoin is just a leap out of it to be sure, but the main issue is people not being convinced or simply too stubborn to give in or too emotional to stay rational. It´s the human component that´s the source. The button just makes it easier to run away.

Giyari

Lyon DeLacyBack to Beyond, I rather meant how Beyond will be added into the content of Elite - update of the entire Core, or acting way different than Horizon add-on (which is more like an unlocker rather than content adder)?

Bit of both. The game play stuff that's in Elite's core game will still receive the update, but as the core game doesn't have engineering, wings, or planetary landings, a lot of it will require the horizons pass to use. Likewise the Chieftain is only available to Horizons owners.

It's another expansion to Horizons basically, but it's one that's free.

Ryan MurdocAre we as a species so limited that we can only elevate ourselves through the use of violence?

Ryan Murdoc

Draxxa KirethShe is right, War is often a catalyst for science and research....think of radar, Jets, atomic bomb, and so many things....and often a "play ground"for new technologis...think of the first Iraq war...was mostly a testbed...

but the reason to wage war is usually econominc (resources (Iraq II someone?)), political (diverting soical unrest or cultural binding) or religion (allthough that is usuall based on economics)...

Alright, finally a person that is able to give constructive criticism and offering their viewpoint without resorting to namecalling and being an outright bully. +1 for that alone.

Though it is correct that armed conflicts (War) were catalysts for science and research, the examples you named were mostly invented to be used in said conflicts first and later found their way into less violent territory. Which I agree is a good thing.

Ryan Murdoc

But I can't help but wonder if the loss of many lives during these conflicts is what is needed to make the survivors reap the fruits of their labour so to speak.

Or to ask the question differently:

Are we as a species so limited that we can only elevate ourselves through the use of violence? The injection of adrenaline pumping through our veins due to the fear for our lives being what makes us try to survive better?

Without sounding too nihilistic or however you might want to call that I'd say I'm glad we aren't able to do space travel yet and colonise other planets. For if that ever becomes a reality, woe to whatever is out there in the Galaxy.

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Lyon DeLacy

Giyari

Lyon DeLacyBack to Beyond, I rather meant how Beyond will be added into the content of Elite - update of the entire Core, or acting way different than Horizon add-on (which is more like an unlocker rather than content adder)?

Bit of both. The game play stuff that's in Elite's core game will still receive the update, but as the core game doesn't have engineering, wings, or planetary landings, a lot of it will require the horizons pass to use. Likewise the Chieftain is only available to Horizons owners.

It's another expansion to Horizons basically, but it's one that's free.

Actually, Horizons is only 10 megabytes. I always thought this add-on just unlocks the locked content of the core files. I was asking, because I'm still unsure if it will be a patch of merely one gig - or we'll have to go through several-GB update of all the files (which is actually a horror on my internet. You know, kind of the internet that runs fast-paced games without much ping BUT still downloads couple of gigs in hours.

Draxxa KirethIn general it's considered that one evolves through problems, not by being complacent....it's through solving problems that one can advance...

Draxxa KirethThe danger what you're describing, and most discussions is mixing micro versus macro....on a singular level it's a drama...but as a species?

Then again it defines us as...humans, that we can put value symbolic thoughts....like morality or the drama of the waste of an individual....but that is again from a micro level...a species has no concerns like this...

Phisto Sobanii

Ryan MurdocAre we as a species so limited that we can only elevate ourselves through the use of violence?

We've proven that answer is no time and time again.  If you need specifics, look at how humans have flourished since the Scientific Revolution.  Want to narrow it down even further?  Public sanitation is one of our greatest achievements and has done more for humanity than probably very little else.

Humans are the product of 4.5 billion years of this insane, beautiful, and deadly planet.  We couldn't be anything else than what we are, and what we are is awe inspiring.  Whatever our end, it'll have been worth it.

LordPsymonBut it is still fun to shoot each other in a video game and we should remember that what we do in a game is very different to how we act in real life.

Some people seem to forget that.

Ryan Murdoc[

Erinia ScantyarThat´s the problem everywhere. The ignore buttoin is just a leap out of it to be sure, but the main issue is people not being convinced or simply too stubborn to give in or too emotional to stay rational. It´s the human component that´s the source. The button just makes it easier to run away.

The people I ignore have shown that they're not open for civil discussion, and the only reason they restrain themselves in their choice of words is that Artie has full control over the boards here and can remove any posts that go too far or are too violent in nature.

Those with whom I can carry a talk that - even if points of view are totally opposite - have the ability to stay level-headed and don't resort to verbal abuse I will never slam their name on my  Ignore list and be done with an argument.

There obviously is a history with certain people here, and I am sure some are more then eager to tell their side of it. I won't, for you have to move on and not be stuck in the past. To do so it's useful that you're not faced with the same inane talks day in and day out on this site from the same people.

The Ignore feature is like a gust of fresh air making you able to breathe again. The Off switch on your remote control when you're tired to have to yet again watch the same sad re-runs of old TV shows.

Quality of life improves, simple as that.

Luke3107

LordPsymonBut it is still fun to shoot each other in a video game and we should remember that what we do in a game is very different to how we act in real life.

Some people seem to forget that.

So... My running people over in GTA doesn't have any significance on my RL motivations?

What about that time I flew an SU-44 through several tunnels in Ace Combat 6? Are you implying that in real life I have no urge to fly through a hole in the ground at speeds bordering that of Sound waves?

Or that time I slayed an Elder Dragon in Skyrim?

Sorry Psymon, I'm a kerb-mounting-fast-flying-dragonslayer / pilot extraordinaire in real life. It's reflected in my gameplay.

LordPsymonThe closest example I can think of any game having significant impact on my life would be games like Privateer, Freelancer, Elite, making me super interested in astronomy. But other than that, what I do in a game and what I am like as a person outside of video game land are two completely different things.