Elite: Game talk

User1355
16 May 2018, 12:24pm
Worlock77And as soon of FDev suggests the possibility of maybe making PP open-only you have PvP'ers demanding that they making everything from BGS to engineers to first discovered credit open-only. Give an inch, take a mile...


I know, they are as ridiculous as those having a meltdown over the end of Solo etc etc.

I've been reading the forums and I'm quite disappointed at how few are actually keeping the discussion in-scope of what Sandro has proposed.
Isaiah Evanson
16 May 2018, 12:25pm
It's a two way street. The solo/PG crowd makes just as many unreasonable demands. 

FDEV will strike a balance. In time this uproar shall pass, as it always does.
Worlock77
16 May 2018, 12:43pm
Marra Morgan
Worlock77And as soon of FDev suggests the possibility of maybe making PP open-only you have PvP'ers demanding that they making everything from BGS to engineers to first discovered credit open-only. Give an inch, take a mile...



I know, they are as ridiculous as those having a meltdown over the end of Solo etc etc.

I've been reading the forums and I'm quite disappointed at how few are actually keeping the discussion in-scope of what Sandro has proposed.


Indeed. Equally ridiculous are the "I'll be demanding a refund" folks. And most seem to be treating it like it's a done deal already, when Sandro explicitly states otherwise.

Like I said before, if PP does go to open-only that'll probably be the end of my involvement with it, as I'm pretty much a single-player type gamer (with a handful of exceptions). Oh well. It's a small part of what I do in ED, and dropping it certainly wouldn't ruin my experience in ED.
User23543
16 May 2018, 1:04pm
Marra Morgan
Phisto SobaniiIt is what it is.

Lyon, do you PowerPlay?



Not according to his Inara profile.

I would have thought that console players who enjoy online-multiplayer-conflict-type games would already have their subscriptions to do so?

Or do the players we're talking about just use their consoles to play Elite in Solo / PG?

Not a console player, so that's a genuine question.


Having Elite without the XBOX subscription sounds so very bizarre that it makes me conclude it’s legalistic in the extreme. And for the few players it would affect I would simply say it’s too bad - the long term health of the game would be so well served the change is nearly a no brainer.

Besides the Open change, the other parts sound like they could bring real drama to the whole enterprise!
ShinyThings
16 May 2018, 1:22pm
As an ex-Xbox player, I agree with Phisto in that most everybody will have a gold subscription, especially if they play any other games at all.

It is unfortunate for the small percentage without Gold, who are also active in PP that this content would be removed, but being locked from content is not without precedent. CQC, wings and multicrew is already off the table (multicrew being part of a paid expansion).

Moving PP modules to a tech broker seems like a no-brainer to allow everybody access to the fancy stuff, while having the side benefit of removing the need to defect to collect, and grinders dropping 750 merits each in crap system every week.
Worlock77
16 May 2018, 1:31pm
ShinyThingsAs an ex-Xbox player, I agree with Phisto in that most everybody will have a gold subscription, especially if they play any other games at all.

It is unfortunate for the small percentage without Gold, who are also active in PP that this content would be removed, but being locked from content is not without precedent. CQC, wings and multicrew is already off the table (multicrew being part of a paid expansion).

Moving PP modules to a tech broker seems like a no-brainer to allow everybody access to the fancy stuff, while having the side benefit of removing the need to defect to collect, and grinders dropping 750 merits each in crap system every week.


God yes! Beyond anything else the module reward and merit system in PP needs to be reworked. Nothing says "fundamentally PvP" like a cargo grind being the driving mechanic.
User23543
16 May 2018, 1:45pm
Moving the modules to tech brokers is such a solid solution.

Any thoughts on the rest of the proposal? The undermining and voting changes seem really interesting.
ShinyThings
16 May 2018, 2:01pm
From my laymans perspective (I just do what I'm told) they seem pretty solid.

The mission reward is good in theory but needs more info, that could have a big impact on MF supporters who are not powerplayers. Seems like if the PP reward is chosen, there should be no other MF influence changes, otherwise it could get real messy.

Vote to veto seems great for reducing 5C influence, as does the profitability modifier, but as I say, no expert.

The undermined if 100% of fort is reached seems strange, if they use triggers then that negatively affects all systems with a reduced fort trigger, if it's based on actual forts delivered, seems like it would be good.

Since they're going all out for PP changes, I think an overall a balance pass for different power fort / prep / expansion methods need looked at too, as well as the rewards structure and power benefits as they are most decidedly not all created equal.
User1355
16 May 2018, 2:05pm
Phisto Sobanii

Any thoughts on the rest of the proposal? The undermining and voting changes seem really interesting.


I like

SandroEthos is only checked for the control system and the power


That makes control systems flash points for undermining and BgS control - should make things very interesting!

The Powerplay BgS efforts will no longer have to concentrate on the surrounding exploited systems, freeing up more time for

SandroGuaranteed undermine if 100% more than fortification


which really presses player groups against each other!
User23543
16 May 2018, 2:10pm
I hadn’t thought about the freed up manpower because of the ethos change!
Worlock77
16 May 2018, 2:27pm
Admittedly I probably don't have the most in-depth understanding of Power Play, so take my opinion for whatever it's worth -

For the most part I like the proposal. The vote to abandon bad systems seems especially good. And it's one that mirrors real life I think. No matter how great the power there are limits to what it can sustain. Many an empire throughout history has fallen in no small part from growing too large and trying to hold provinces that only drag on them.
Scorpion
16 May 2018, 3:32pm
A quick and hopefully easy question.  Is there a "pristine metalic" resource ring in Li Yong-Rui part of the bubble? Everywhere I go I am hostile and in danger, or am I?

Edit
I have found the answer so answers are no longer required thanks.

Last edit: 16 May 2018, 4:00pm
James Hussar
16 May 2018, 4:17pm
ScorpionA quick and hopefully easy question.  Is there a "pristine metalic" resource ring in Li Yong-Rui part of the bubble? Everywhere I go I am hostile and in danger, or am I?

Edit
I have found the answer so answers are no longer required thanks.


Since this comes up time and again:

http://edtools.ddns.net/
User78245
16 May 2018, 8:48pm
James Hussarhttp://edtools.ddns.net/


This website is illegal in the Kingdom of Bahrain. Straight up illegal and inaccessible. Splash screen says "Site Blocked. This web site has been blocked for violating regulations and laws of Kingdom of Bahrain." Coincidentally, the same sort of splash you'd see if you were to, say, try to access a pornography website in Bahrain. I wish I was making that up, but I'm 100% serious. EDTools is inaccessible in a random part of the Middle East. No other website in the support website oeuvre of Elite Dangerous is blocked.

So I have to find my pristine metallic rings through various other, and unreliable sources. Overcome and adapt. The purpose of this as a The More You Know on different parts of the world.

Last edit: 17 May 2018, 1:55am
Adam Firethorn
16 May 2018, 9:28pm
I think you're missing perhaps the major reasoning behind the suggested change. PP was designed to create conflict and competition between players and player groups. That was the initial design.

Having the ability to influence without someone being able to counter is kind of a big deal. Someone shouldn't be able to undermine an entire system in PG while the opposing side cannot counter that undermining via combat.

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