Elite: Game talk

MBaldelli
27 Jun 2018, 10:32am
Kari Kerenski
ArtieHonestly, I am rather inclined to scratch the whole rankings thing. It was made years ago, partially to also cover CQC and it's just a burden since then. As there is complicated to do any validity check, so anybody can put almost anything there, its credibility is pretty limited.

Any opinions on its removal? Yay or nay?



I've never paid them any attention myself, Artie.

If it unburdens you to put time into other good stuff here, by all means ditch it


Since you mentioned it as being complicated, if it's taking away from other priorities... By all means, I agree with @kari kerenski: ditch it.
LordPsymon
27 Jun 2018, 11:02am
I've never once cared about my Inara rank.
Jemine Caesar
27 Jun 2018, 11:56am
I agree. It's a nice feature in theory, but meaningless in practice. Take it out.
Reverend TZW
27 Jun 2018, 12:05pm
If I knew how the rankings worked, I'd make a concerted effort to be last.

But I don't so, yeah, unburden yourself, Artie.

Thanks again for the indispensable resource, without it I wouldn't be the Commander I am today.
Stryker Aune
27 Jun 2018, 12:29pm
Artie you put a lot of effort and time into this site. I've never put much stock into ranking systems anyway. And it's too much of a petty thing for people to get their feathers in a ruffle.

I say ditch it!
SebulbaTheHutt
27 Jun 2018, 12:33pm
Rebecca Hail
Ryan Murdoc
As to the bleak and shitty outlook I'd suggest you read up on the history of humanity. There are phases where we made rapid progress in certain areas, but always fell back due to the primal instincts (Greed, lust for power etc.) materialising themselves in persons who acted upon them and left nothing but destruction in their wake.



I suggest you read upon it yourself.

Wars and conflict in general is an incredible catalyst for technology and are not seldomly caused by greed. Saying that wars leave 'nothing but destruction' in their wake is plainly wrong.


So you think its a matter of philosophy? Just read up on it and that makes it ok? Have you ever been in a war? I think not. What nonsense. I've been in a war. There is nothing creative or wonderfully uplifting about it. Its dirty dark dangerous and worse. If you have ever seen someone shot in the belly dying in agony with their intestines hanging out you wouldnt be talking such absolute rot. Wars do lead to inventions that benefit us, but peacetime activity actually far more so. War inventiveness arises from the tragedy of warfare and the lust for conquest and power, so the vast majority of these inventions do not benefit us - they just make us better at waging war. I do not think the price we pay in war is worth any invention that arises from it - never ever.
Sparkeye
27 Jun 2018, 12:47pm
Stryker AuneArtie you put a lot of effort and time into this site. I've never put much stock into ranking systems anyway. And it's too much of a petty thing for people to get their feathers in a ruffle.

I say ditch it!



I agree with the big guy
Rebecca Hail
27 Jun 2018, 12:48pm
a) You're beating a dead horse. That discussion was ages ago.

b) Don't pretend you know me. I've served myself, although I've never been deployed. I'm quite thankful for that.

c) Nothing I wrote is historically incorrect. Wars are a catalyst for technology, albeit that technology is obvious designed for the purpose of war and will only be adapted to peaceful purposes after said war.

d) The point I was contesting is 'Wars leave nothing but destruction in their wake.'. Your opinion is entirely irrelevant to me.
Kari Kerenski
27 Jun 2018, 12:49pm
Sebulba

So you think its a matter of philosophy? Just read up on it and that makes it ok? Have you ever been in a war? I think not. What nonsense. I've been in a war. There is nothing creative or wonderfully uplifting about it. Its dirty dark dangerous and worse. If you have ever seen someone shot in the belly dying in agony with their intestines hanging out you wouldnt be talking such absolute rot. Wars do lead to inventions that benefit us, but peacetime activity actually far more so. War inventiveness arises from the tragedy of warfare and the lust for conquest and power, so the vast majority of these inventions do not benefit us - they just make us better at waging war. I do not think the price we pay in war is worth any invention that arises from it - never ever.


So is that a yay for ditching the rankings, or... ?
Renraiku
27 Jun 2018, 1:13pm
I agree to ditch the ranking Artie.
The Presence
27 Jun 2018, 1:14pm
Artie, you're Number 1, everybody else is number 2 or lower, ditch it...
SebulbaTheHutt
27 Jun 2018, 1:20pm
Kari Kerenski
Sebulba

So you think its a matter of philosophy? Just read up on it and that makes it ok? Have you ever been in a war? I think not. What nonsense. I've been in a war. There is nothing creative or wonderfully uplifting about it. Its dirty dark dangerous and worse. If you have ever seen someone shot in the belly dying in agony with their intestines hanging out you wouldnt be talking such absolute rot. Wars do lead to inventions that benefit us, but peacetime activity actually far more so. War inventiveness arises from the tragedy of warfare and the lust for conquest and power, so the vast majority of these inventions do not benefit us - they just make us better at waging war. I do not think the price we pay in war is worth any invention that arises from it - never ever.



So is that a yay for ditching the rankings, or... ?


Nah. Just a rant. Glorifying war like that - not good.
Kari Kerenski
27 Jun 2018, 1:37pm
Sebulba
Nah. Just a rant. Glorifying war like that - not good.


I didn't read her reply as glorifying war. On the contrary, it was an objective view of how necessity drives innovation in times of war.
Phelbore
27 Jun 2018, 1:41pm
Rankings? (I mean, huck them out the window like that friend who reads every billboard out loud on a road trip)
SebulbaTheHutt
27 Jun 2018, 2:20pm
First - I'd like to apologise to you, Rebecca. I didnt mean to have a go at you so personally. But I was trying to make a serious point here: If you raise the notion, howevermuch correct factually, that war brings us something positive such as innovation, you subtly introduce the idea that war is not so bad after all even if that wasnt your intention. I see that as quite dangerous, because there are as you know a whole lot of crazies out there who hang on that kind of stuff, and its them that will use ideas like that to glorify war. All i ask is that you think a little about the effect of what you were saying.

Rankings - i'm one of those who dont mind them because i'm not too interested in the whole ladder-climbing and comparison business it involves. So if rankings cook for you solid, then i'm fine with keeping them if thats your way of having a benchmark for your performance. But its not for me. Call that yay for keeping them.

Happy now Karl?

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