Elite: Game talk

User23543
19 Jul 2018, 12:59pm
Pauly_C
Phisto SobaniiChildren who weren’t hugged enough? Seriously?

You returned to base long after you should have and paid the price. Any idea what fault in your upbringing lead to that?



yeah it was totally my own fault and I can live with that, sorry I thought that was clear from my post.

The fault in my upbringing must be something odd as I see no pleasure in the pointless slaughter of other players for no other benefit than a giddy giggle, I just think gankers are lame children who should take a long hard look at themselves, but if you can demonstrate it has a value and plays an actual worthwhile role in game I will stand corrected.


Is there anything you can learn from the experience?

Here’s a few learnings: don’t push your ship that hard. Toughen it up. High wake out, repair, then go turn in your bounties. Find friends to cover you. Pay attention to your scanners and watch for ships coming in behind you.

I could go on, but point is amateur psychology won’t get you very far at 40% hull, 12 million credits in bounties, and a long supercruise trip through an extraordinarily hostile environment.
Kari Kerenski
19 Jul 2018, 1:05pm
Lyon sent me PM asking for advices on his situation.

I'm sharing the responses here, in the hope that they're useful for others too



- Flying Eagle while in a Wing


You have Wingmates - that's good. Where were they? Do you (or they) know how Wing Beacons work?
Just by being in a Wing, you will put off many lone gankers as they are looking for easy kills. Some however will fancy the challenge.

Is your Eagle engineered? They can go really fast with a few dirty drive mods, enough to be able to get out the weapons range of an attacker and high-wake to safety.


- Harmless rank


It's a measure of how many NPC's you've shot down and nothing more - it doesn't really indicate any level of skill or know-how.


- Unable to defect away interdiction


If you stay sharp, you can evade before the interdiction even begins. On PC, you can open the bandwidth monitor to get an early warning of players in the area. Being on XBox, you won't get this unfortunately.

However, any players in your instance will appear in the HISTORY tab in your comms HUD - check this often.

Don't fly in straight lines in SuperCruise. Fly off the galactic plane, that way it is easier to see if someone is coming for you. Also remember that interdictors only work from behind, so keep your face to anyone you suspect is trying to get behind you. You can really frustrate them by doing this

You can also slow right down and drop into normal cruise and plot a hyperspace jump out of the system if things are looking bad.


- The attacker flies FDL


Whatever they are flying, the escape procedure is always the same:

  • Have hyperspace destination pre-selected in your NavPanel (better still, pre-selected in the Galaxy Map as a destination - press the "Next System" hotkey to quickly select it.)
  • Submit to the interdiction
  • Full SYS
  • Boost towards and past your attacker, spamming whatever defensive measures you have
  • Select hyperspace destination
  • Engage FSD
  • As soon as you arrive in the target system, drop into normal space and give yourself a pat on the back - you just outplayed the ganker \o/
Artie
19 Jul 2018, 1:17pm
I would like to emphasize one thing, as it seems that the attitude may incline to it sometimes - the victims of ganking are not idiots. Complaining about ganking is not a reason to bring such person low with infamous "git gud". I am exaggerating now, of course, but I want to remind that everybody has the expectations how the shared galaxy should work set differently. I see perfectly reasonable that people may have an expectation that other commanders in Open will also act reasonably in terms of "live and let live". The reality, however, may be different, but that's not a reason to say: "you are not fit for Open and it was solely your mistake - go play Solo, you incompetent naive greenhorn". That's not how things should work in Elite generally, if we want to keep and gain healthy amount of new or returning commanders. Once again, I am exaggerating, but you get the idea.
Scubadog
19 Jul 2018, 1:18pm
LordPsymonWith all the comparisons of the Chieftan and Challenger to the Raza, I am fairly sure Darkmatter is quite popular among the E:D community. At least it managed to survive three seasons instead of one.

Only just finished the first myself.


Alas, Dark Matter, another show that got cancelled. Meanwhile, they continue to show ridiculous stuff instead. Frustrating. At least Amazon is picking up The Expanse after Syfy continued being stupid.
User23543
19 Jul 2018, 1:26pm
ArtieI would like to emphasize one thing, as it seems that the attitude may incline to it sometimes - the victims of ganking are not idiots. Complaining about ganking is not a reason to bring such person low with infamous "git gud". I am exaggerating now, of course, but I want to remind that everybody has the expectations how the shared galaxy should work set differently. I see perfectly reasonable that people may have an expectation that other commanders in Open will also act reasonably in terms of "live and let live". The reality, however, may be different, but that's not a reason to say: "you are not fit for Open and it was solely your mistake - go play Solo, you incompetent naive greenhorn". That's not how things should work in Elite generally, if we want to keep and gain healthy amount of new or returning commanders. Once again, I am exaggerating, but you get the idea.


Big part of the issue is the extraordinary amount of words used to defend one’s expectations. In my view, it’s much more effective (and fun!) to deal with Elite as it is, not as we would like it to be.

Kind of like I said to Pauly, ‘live and let live’ has very poor damage resistance. But as we can see from posts like Kari’s, Commanders are hardly powerless.
Pauly_C
19 Jul 2018, 1:29pm
Phisto Sobanii
Pauly_C
Phisto SobaniiChildren who weren’t hugged enough? Seriously?

You returned to base long after you should have and paid the price. Any idea what fault in your upbringing lead to that?




yeah it was totally my own fault and I can live with that, sorry I thought that was clear from my post.

The fault in my upbringing must be something odd as I see no pleasure in the pointless slaughter of other players for no other benefit than a giddy giggle, I just think gankers are lame children who should take a long hard look at themselves, but if you can demonstrate it has a value and plays an actual worthwhile role in game I will stand corrected.



Is there anything you can learn from the experience?

Here’s a few learnings: don’t push your ship that hard. Toughen it up. High wake out, repair, then go turn in your bounties. Find friends to cover you. Pay attention to your scanners and watch for ships coming in behind you.

I could go on, but point is amateur psychology won’t get you very far at 40% hull, 12 million credits in bounties, and a long supercruise trip through an extraordinarily hostile environment.


Yeah I've already learned all those lessons, I know full well what I did wrong - I woke up, fired up and momentarily forgot that gankers exist and are appalling people. (Saturday we were hunting in a wing of 4, I just shut down in space cos tired and quite drunk, should have loaded up in solo sunday morning...)

telling people how not to get interdicted is good helpful advice, doesn't change the fact that the guilty parties are only doing it for a giggle and a serving no value to the community which brings us back to my initial point, if they were hugged more they might be more pleasant to their fellow commanders..
Rho Tefnutet
19 Jul 2018, 1:32pm
Scubadog(...) At least Amazon is picking up The Expanse after Syfy continued being stupid.


SyFy didn't act stupid. From what I remember, it was the shareholders to tell them SyFy should cancel the show, due to interest from a very small group of people if you take mainsteam audiences into equation.

It's like in case of BioWare: they didn't screw up with Mass Effect Andromeda. It's the EA's shareholders who forced them to release product without polishing it heavily. Players, in return, backlashed the product and the major DLC was thrown into the bin. That said, ME:A isn't a bad game.

But in all honesty - despite the initial snarky attitude and plenty of misunderstandment - this is where No Man's Sky developers shined and EA should take notes from.
Pauly_C
19 Jul 2018, 1:33pm
but anyway, I can heartily recommend shooting Thargoid scouts in targeted systems - I've met lots of commanders in open doing this and 99 times out of a hundred we end up in a wing fighting together, the other time we just go on our merry way.

good times with good people

Join us!
Artie
19 Jul 2018, 1:36pm
Phisto Sobanii
Big part of the issue is the extraordinary amount of words used to defend one’s expectations. In my view, it’s much more effective (and fun!) to deal with Elite as it is, not as we would like it to be.

Kind of like I said to Pauly, ‘live and let live’ has very poor damage resistance. But as we can see from posts like Kari’s, Commanders are hardly powerless.


Yes, as I said, the reality of Open may (and often is) different than such kind of expectations. For example, I also think that Open should work differently (and that's the reason why I am not playing in it) and I see ganking as a "low quality" behavior while I respect for others it may be fun (on both sides). It doesn't make me less competent or low-grade citizen that should play My little pony games instead, just a person with a different view. The rants of ganking victims there are doing nothing else than presenting of different point of view on the same thing, based on the different opinions. It doesn't make them more or less wrong than opinions of the person on the other side (so-called ganker).

The best thing is to offer the advices (as Kari and many others here are doing, which is great!), but limit the sarcastic tone. In their view, they did nothing wrong, just expected something else. That's not something deserving defaming.
Kari Kerenski
19 Jul 2018, 1:36pm
Pauly_C
Yeah I've already learned all those lessons, I know full well what I did wrong - I woke up, fired up and momentarily forgot that gankers exist and are appalling people. (Saturday we were hunting in a wing of 4, I just shut down in space cos tired and quite drunk, should have loaded up in solo sunday morning...)

telling people how not to get interdicted is good helpful advice, doesn't change the fact that the guilty parties are only doing it for a giggle and a serving no value to the community which brings us back to my initial point, if they were hugged more they might be more pleasant to their fellow commanders..


*sighs*

You have no control over what other players do, so stop concerning yourself about "appalling people" - they exist in the game and there is nothing you can do about it.

You have complete control over what you do - focus your energies there, and you might just surprise yourself.
Pauly_C
19 Jul 2018, 1:42pm
Kari Kerenski
Pauly_C
Yeah I've already learned all those lessons, I know full well what I did wrong - I woke up, fired up and momentarily forgot that gankers exist and are appalling people. (Saturday we were hunting in a wing of 4, I just shut down in space cos tired and quite drunk, should have loaded up in solo sunday morning...)

telling people how not to get interdicted is good helpful advice, doesn't change the fact that the guilty parties are only doing it for a giggle and a serving no value to the community which brings us back to my initial point, if they were hugged more they might be more pleasant to their fellow commanders..



*sighs*

You have no control over what other players do, so stop concerning yourself about "appalling people" - they exist in the game and there is nothing you can do about it.

You have complete control over what you do - focus your energies there, and you might just surprise yourself.


I know - I was just offering an opinion on the kind of person that thinks ganking is fun. no more, no less.

I don't want any controls putting in place or any changes to ToS or anything else, the universe is as the universe is.

If that's how you get your kicks go for it, as my follow up said I'll be hunting thargoids and welcome anybody to join us in doing this fun activity
Scubadog
19 Jul 2018, 1:45pm
ArtieI would like to emphasize one thing, as it seems that the attitude may incline to it sometimes - the victims of ganking are not idiots. Complaining about ganking is not a reason to bring such person low with infamous "git gud". I am exaggerating now, of course, but I want to remind that everybody has the expectations how the shared galaxy should work set differently. I see perfectly reasonable that people may have an expectation that other commanders in Open will also act reasonable in terms of "live and let live". The reality, however, may be different, but that's not a reason to say: "you are not fit for Open and it was solely your mistake - go play Solo, you incompetent naive greenhorn". That's not how things should work. Once again, I am exaggerating, but you get the idea.


Well said, Artie! When I first started ED over a year ago--not having a clue what I was in for--I admit I quickly got frustrated with the apparent plethora of gankers/griefers. I thought, "Sheesh, I'm just flying around, trying to figure out what I want to be and how to earn a decent credit, these mental midgets have nothing better to do than destroy other players' ships for no reason?" I didn't want to play solo or in private groups, so I took up exploring and headed out into deep space. I rarely ran into other commanders and, when I did, they were much more friendly. Out in the Colonia systems I also rarely see any of that nonsense. However, I've also learned a lot since then. My awareness is better, my evasion techniques are improved, I follow very much the same protocols as have been described here. They work. When I choose to ignore them I'm also choosing to accept higher risk. Are these evasion techniques annoying? Absolutely. But which is more annoying: wasting some time to execute escape protocols to avoid being interdicted, or getting schwacked and then going to the re-buy?

Probably most of us can agree that commanders who are nothing but mindless thugs are a pain and we'd like to see them get their comeuppance. They are the Reavers of ED. But, like the real world, those types of people exist (evidence that cousins should never marry). So, our choices are to engineer our ships and improve our combat skills, or evade them, or wing up with like-minded commanders to make these children think twice. Well, of course you could go solo or private group. But I just refuse not play open. That's like shutting yourself up in your house because you're afraid you'll get mugged.
User23543
19 Jul 2018, 1:58pm
Artie The best thing is to offer the advices (as Kari and many others here are doing, which is great!), but limit the sarcastic tone. In their view, they did nothing wrong, just expected something else. That's not something deserving defaming.


I completely agree. That said, comments like Pauly’s (in regards to the upbringing of people playing a video game) have no place, surely?
Artie
19 Jul 2018, 2:00pm
Phisto Sobanii
Artie The best thing is to offer the advices (as Kari and many others here are doing, which is great!), but limit the sarcastic tone. In their view, they did nothing wrong, just expected something else. That's not something deserving defaming.


I completely agree. That said, comments like Pauly’s (in regards to the upbringing of people playing a video game) have no place, surely?


Yes, the respect to opinions and standings of others should also apply for the other side, too.
Pauly_C
19 Jul 2018, 2:05pm
Phisto Sobanii
Artie The best thing is to offer the advices (as Kari and many others here are doing, which is great!), but limit the sarcastic tone. In their view, they did nothing wrong, just expected something else. That's not something deserving defaming.



I completely agree. That said, comments like Pauly’s (in regards to the upbringing of people playing a video game) have no place, surely?


Dude, if you're a ganker and I hurt your feelings you have my apologies, I was simply offering an opinion on the kind of person that finds it fun to randomly kill others. like I said before if you can offer an explanation as to why it is a game mechanic/action that serves a worthwhile end goal I will utterly retract all my comments.

fact is, I don't think anyone can reasonably justify ganking beyond "I like upsetting people, it makes me feel good"

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