Elite: Game talk

Thinder
yesterday, 10:01pm
Jawohl Duffal
ArtieSo you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.


Untrue or misleading information given to you to get you to buy something that's definition of false advertising to me that's exactly what PMKII is.

Except that data proves that the claim of the Python MK II being superior as a combat ship are not unfunded, that's one grievance out of the equation.

If people don't like this ship, fine, but it's not a reason to say that what was claimed wasn't true, data doesn't lie, the Python MK II has superior Combat potential than other ships in her class, only in a furball would she score lower than the Krait but again, performances are a matter of compromise.

The Class 6 Power Plant saves weight and so the Fer-de-Lance, Mamba and Python MK II get their performances from this conceptual design, as far as I know the FDL was the reference in PvE for a reason, it's one vs one most of the time, but again in a furball she wouldn't last long when fire at by several ships at once, speed and agility doesn't compensate for strong shields and killing the target faster helps.

Those are facts based on data, easy to compare.... FDL Python MK II
Thinder
yesterday, 10:03pm
Jawohl Duffal
yesterday, 10:05pm
Thinder, you are trying to dissuade. The case here is false advertising not ships per say.
Thinder
yesterday, 10:17pm
Jawohl DuffalThinder, you are trying to dissuade. The case here is false advertising not ships per say.

I'm making a valid point, if they did indeed advertise the Python MK II as superior is wasn't a false claim.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 16 Nov 2024, 10:35pm
Artie
yesterday, 10:23pm
Jawohl Duffal
ArtieSo you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.


Untrue or misleading information given to you to get you to buy something that's definition of false advertising to me that's exactly what ARX PMKII was. There was the intention to sell ARX so to say to make money...

You are reacting to something completely different (the "problem" that the loadouts for the ships bought for ARX are basic). Either way, although I am not sure if the claim "Python Mk II is a superior combat ship" was actually made by FDev (as far as I remember they wanted to position it to compete with the PvP ships by some of their streams, but I cannot dispute for certain they truly said the first), the constant spinning on: "They lied to us! Bad, bad Frontier!" during any even remotely related opportunity starts to be tiresome.

(And I will move this whole discussion into the Rant corner where it belongs later on.)
Wraith(USMC)
yesterday, 11:03pm
Advice please.
I spent quite a bit of time mining for some high end materials this week. I transferred them to my carrier instead of selling to myself. I jumped in the game today and much of the material I mined is gone. Nothing is set to sell in the carrier. Is there something I've done wrong?
Thinder
yesterday, 11:44pm
It's rare when I see one in a CZ but killing an Elite FDL with a Krait MK II is somewhat validating my view of the ship, especially because I used Premium Ammunition for the 4 X 2B MODIFIED GUARDIAN PLASMA CHARGER [FIXED] Overcharged, that's 30% more damage per weapon...

Equiped with 4 X 2B GUARDIAN PLASMA CHARGER [FIXED], the best my FDL can do is 2.7 and 80. in Damage and Armour Percing...

That's why the Krait MK II is a beast in a CZ, sure, she doesn't have the combat Persistence of the Corvette, less Base Shield and Armour, less capacity to recharge the shields, but she has enough and is agile enough to take down any other ship type FAST and get out of dodge when the furball get tough.

Even with Standard ammo, I saw a ship go one salvo k-boom with 17% HP remaining and I'm sure those weapons can do more.

Last edit: 16 Nov 2024, 11:53pm
Meowers
yesterday, 11:47pm
Hells... Using premium synths on a single PvE bot schmuck and validating something through it?
Vasil Vasilescu
yesterday, 11:48pm
Wraith(USMC)Advice please.
I spent quite a bit of time mining for some high end materials this week. I transferred them to my carrier instead of selling to myself. I jumped in the game today and much of the material I mined is gone. Nothing is set to sell in the carrier. Is there something I've done wrong?



I don't believe you've done anything wrong. More people have been reporting similar issues recently. A few days ago, 100 units of Graphene and carbon plate I intended to sell through my FC bartender mysteriously vanished on me when I transferred them. Yet, common low-end items like aerogel transfer without a problem. Go figure.
Wraith(USMC)
yesterday, 11:53pm
Thank you for the reply and info Vasil
Kasumi Goto
yesterday, 11:56pm
MeowersHells... Using premium synths on a single PvE bot schmuck and validating something through it?

Imagine using premium synths for any PvE content except (maybe) fighting a Hydra solo, where that extra damage might actually be meaningful in the fight.

I personally wouldn’t outside - maybe - that situation.
Thinder
today, 12:15am
MeowersHells... Using premium synths on a single PvE bot schmuck and validating something through it?

Yes and so WHAT?

I would have killed this Elite FDL with standard ammo anyway, FACT IS; the Krait has the agility and resilience to do it, using premium just make things faster, no need for a Mamba or a Python MK II, point; the Krait has more firepower and shield than both. Ooooops.

Ps. If you like to take more damage and take more time to get a kill, you're welcome to use Standard Ammunition.
Jawohl Duffal
today, 2:07am
Thinder
Jawohl DuffalThinder, you are trying to dissuade. The case here is false advertising not ships per say.


I'm making a valid point, if they did indeed advertise the Python MK II as superior is wasn't a false claim.

Thinder stay with the philosophy how to make the perfect ship with E grade units.
Jawohl Duffal
today, 2:10am
Artie
Jawohl Duffal
ArtieSo you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.



Untrue or misleading information given to you to get you to buy something that's definition of false advertising to me that's exactly what ARX PMKII was. There was the intention to sell ARX so to say to make money...


You are reacting to something completely different (the "problem" that the loadouts for the ships bought for ARX are basic). Either way, although I am not sure if the claim "Python Mk II is a superior combat ship" was actually made by FDev (as far as I remember they wanted to position it to compete with the PvP ships by some of their streams, but I cannot dispute for certain they truly said the first), the constant spinning on: "They lied to us! Bad, bad Frontier!" during any even remotely related opportunity starts to be tiresome.

(And I will move this whole discussion into the Rant corner where it belongs later on.)

Whatever, if FD is not fixing PMKII by this Xmas, I will file for false advertising in my domicile.
Thinder
today, 2:38am
Jawohl Duffal
Thinder stay with the philosophy how to make the perfect ship with E grade units.

How am I going to take advises from someone who can't read stats? Everyone can but you, you're wrong.
Initial release of PMKII for ARX is the classical case of false advertising. It was the first ARX ship which was heavily advertised by FD as a superior medium combat ship (unfounded performance claims).


Your delusion vs reality:

BASE SHIELD=316 MJ + BASE ARMOUR=504 vs BASE SHIELD=271 MJ BASE ARMOUR=405. AGILITY=144 vs AGILITY=132.

Jawohl Duffal

Whatever, if FD is not fixing PMKII by this Xmas, I will file for false advertising in my domicile.

Go on, make us laugh.

Last edit: 17 Nov 2024, 2:51am

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