Elite: Game talk

Amata Lirein
27 Nov 2020, 7:55am
Either way:

I myself am not convinced that we'll be heading into a Fed-Imperial war anytime soon as neither the Feds or the Empire are really ready for one due to their internal problems.

The Federation is currently not stable enough to risk one, because if the hints that Hudson may indeed have been involved with the assasination attempt on former President Halsey it would suddenly be leaderless... something you do not want in the middle of an ongoing war.

The Empire on the other hand first has to get rid of the NMLA before being able to start a war like that. Why? Because the NMLA has proven at least twice already (with the assassinations of Prince Harold Duval as well as the attempt on Hadrian Augustus Duval) that they can quite easily infiltrate the most secure facilities inside the Empire. That would be too much of a security risk during a full-scale war with the Federation.

So no, I think until those two problems have been taken care off this is just a lot of sabre-rattling (though I will admit, since those sabres easily way several megatons in form of their respective capital ships, the rattling is rather loud).

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Igneel Prime
27 Nov 2020, 8:08am
Amata LireinEither way:

I myself am not convinced that we'll be heading into a Fed-Imperial war anytime soon as neither the Feds or the Empire are really ready for one due to their internal problems.

The Federation is currently not stable enough to risk one, because if the hints that Hudson may indeed have been involved with the assasination attempt on former President Halsey it would suddenly be leaderless... something you do not want in the middle of an ongoing war.

The Empire on the other hand first has to get rid of the NMLA before being able to start a war like that. Why? Because the NMLA has proven at least twice already (with the assassinations of Prince Harold Duval as well as the attempt on Hadrian Augustus Duval) that they can quite easily infiltrate the most secure facilities inside the Empire. That would be too much of a security risk during a full-scale war with the Federation.

So no, I think until those two problems have been taken care off this is just a lot of sabre-rattling (though I will admit, since those sabres easily way several megatons in form of their respective capital ships, the rattling is rather loud).


Fair points hence the ???? in my post. The Federation however is still gaining some influence with Core buying Lakon which could turn that quite quickly. Then there are leadership replacements on both sides. Aisling and Felicia aren't that unlikely to take over. And then there's something else. There seems to be a not insignificant amount of support for the Federation in the community which the Empire doesn't quite have. The current community goal will show more details I think but the numbers are not even. So there's several ways this can go and I'm looking forward to watching it unfold and play out. It could at the very least fracture either faction or even both. There has been some conflict between the power play characters on both sides.

Whatever it is. All out war between the 2 factions. Imperial civil war or Hudson's betrayal and removal by Winters... This is most likely what they're using as background lore to make combat more profitable. And after watching the big chess game between the empires of EVE this is a wonderful turn of events in my book. Love analysing what's going on with superpowers like that.
Amata Lirein
27 Nov 2020, 8:24am
Igneel Prime
Amata LireinEither way:

I myself am not convinced that we'll be heading into a Fed-Imperial war anytime soon as neither the Feds or the Empire are really ready for one due to their internal problems.

The Federation is currently not stable enough to risk one, because if the hints that Hudson may indeed have been involved with the assasination attempt on former President Halsey it would suddenly be leaderless... something you do not want in the middle of an ongoing war.

The Empire on the other hand first has to get rid of the NMLA before being able to start a war like that. Why? Because the NMLA has proven at least twice already (with the assassinations of Prince Harold Duval as well as the attempt on Hadrian Augustus Duval) that they can quite easily infiltrate the most secure facilities inside the Empire. That would be too much of a security risk during a full-scale war with the Federation.

So no, I think until those two problems have been taken care off this is just a lot of sabre-rattling (though I will admit, since those sabres easily way several megatons in form of their respective capital ships, the rattling is rather loud).



Fair points hence the ???? in my post. The Federation however is still gaining some influence with Core buying Lakon which could turn that quite quickly. Then there are leadership replacements on both sides. Aisling and Felicia aren't that unlikely to take over. And then there's something else. There seems to be a not insignificant amount of support for the Federation in the community which the Empire doesn't quite have. The current community goal will show more details I think but the numbers are not even. So there's several ways this can go and I'm looking forward to watching it unfold and play out. It could at the very least fracture either faction or even both. There has been some conflict between the power play characters on both sides.

Whatever it is. All out war between the 2 factions. Imperial civil war or Hudson's betrayal and removal by Winters... This is most likely what they're using as background lore to make combat more profitable. And after watching the big chess game between the empires of EVE this is a wonderful turn of events in my book. Love analysing what's going on with superpowers like that.


I don't think Aisling would take over as Emperor (if it really would come to Arissa being forced to release the throne), but rather Hadrian Augustus. Aisling, as popular as she is as a fashion icon, has not enough support with the senators due to her stance on Imperial slavery, which ultimately is both too important from an economic point of view as well as being deeply engrained into Imperial society and their sense of honor.

I myself don't see Arissa leaving though. What I DO see happening instead is that due to his rather... hamfisted handling of the NMLA a certain Senator, who is her biggest ally in the Senate, might suffer from a fall of grace: Denton Patreus. Due to how Imperial politics work I can see Parteus loosing a lot of his powerbase (look up how Imperial politics work here), with a lot of his patrons most likely switching to Zamina Torval, who is known for using diplomacy first and only applies force when needed, and with the Feds now involved the patrons might feel that she's better suited for this task.

This in turn would impact Arissa's politics as she needs to adapt to the new realities in the Senate.
Igneel Prime
27 Nov 2020, 8:35am
Amata Lirein
Igneel Prime
Amata LireinEither way:

I myself am not convinced that we'll be heading into a Fed-Imperial war anytime soon as neither the Feds or the Empire are really ready for one due to their internal problems.

The Federation is currently not stable enough to risk one, because if the hints that Hudson may indeed have been involved with the assasination attempt on former President Halsey it would suddenly be leaderless... something you do not want in the middle of an ongoing war.

The Empire on the other hand first has to get rid of the NMLA before being able to start a war like that. Why? Because the NMLA has proven at least twice already (with the assassinations of Prince Harold Duval as well as the attempt on Hadrian Augustus Duval) that they can quite easily infiltrate the most secure facilities inside the Empire. That would be too much of a security risk during a full-scale war with the Federation.

So no, I think until those two problems have been taken care off this is just a lot of sabre-rattling (though I will admit, since those sabres easily way several megatons in form of their respective capital ships, the rattling is rather loud).




Fair points hence the ???? in my post. The Federation however is still gaining some influence with Core buying Lakon which could turn that quite quickly. Then there are leadership replacements on both sides. Aisling and Felicia aren't that unlikely to take over. And then there's something else. There seems to be a not insignificant amount of support for the Federation in the community which the Empire doesn't quite have. The current community goal will show more details I think but the numbers are not even. So there's several ways this can go and I'm looking forward to watching it unfold and play out. It could at the very least fracture either faction or even both. There has been some conflict between the power play characters on both sides.

Whatever it is. All out war between the 2 factions. Imperial civil war or Hudson's betrayal and removal by Winters... This is most likely what they're using as background lore to make combat more profitable. And after watching the big chess game between the empires of EVE this is a wonderful turn of events in my book. Love analysing what's going on with superpowers like that.



I don't think Aisling would take over as Emperor (if it really would come to Arissa being forced to release the throne), but rather Hadrian Augustus. Aisling, as popular as she is as a fashion icon, has not enough support with the senators due to her stance on Imperial slavery, which ultimately is both too important from an economic point of view as well as being deeply engrained into Imperial society and their sense of honor.

I myself don't see Arissa leaving though. What I DO see happening instead is that due to his rather... hamfisted handling of the NMLA a certain Senator, who is her biggest ally in the Senate, might suffer from a fall of grace: Denton Patreus. Due to how Imperial politics work I can see Parteus loosing a lot of his powerbase (look up how Imperial politics work here), with a lot of his patrons most likely switching to Zamina Torval, who is known for using diplomacy first and only applies force when needed, and with the Feds now involved the patrons might feel that she's better suited for this task.

This in turn would impact Arissa's politics as she needs to adapt to the new realities in the Senate.


Again valid points but that's assuming purely internal conflict an no outside force acting on the process. However, should the Federation decide to use the imperial infighting to its advantage Aisling could use that to her advantage. There are many factors in this equation which makes it so interesting. I always like comparing politics on this level to that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean where they're standing in a circle each pointing 2 guns at different people. And then there's our boy Edmund who could be playing this game of chess on the 5th meta level outplaying all of them.
User282288
27 Nov 2020, 2:27pm
So, looking at the current situation:

My bet is Thargoids will attack the humanity in the middle of Federal-Imperial War. Since both has withdrawn money from Aegis and I don't like Coalsack planets having +50 NHSS around... Yeah. Mark my words.
Episparh
27 Nov 2020, 3:15pm
I plan to head to Pleiades for the weekend to get some thargoid hearts - current CGs are boring
Grecale80
27 Nov 2020, 4:24pm
A question for other Cmdrs, espcially for anaconda owners.

For a combat oriented Conda (pve and pvp) which kind of weapon do you suggest for the ventral Large hp?

I've tried gimballed mc and it's quite ok; i've tried a third large beam laser and after a shock cannon, but both seems be a bit lacking with aiming (i use gimballed weapon)

Any new prospective or suggestion?

Thx anybody in advantage
Captin Pelley
27 Nov 2020, 4:35pm
Grecale80A question for other Cmdrs, espcially for anaconda owners.

For a combat oriented Conda (pve and pvp) which kind of weapon do you suggest for the ventral Large hp?

I've tried gimballed mc and it's quite ok; i've tried a third large beam laser and after a shock cannon, but both seems be a bit lacking with aiming (i use gimballed weapon)

Any new prospective or suggestion?

Thx anybody in advantage



PvP and PvE builds differ by orders of magnitude. Ill give you one for each as you shouldn't mix a PvE build and a PvP build.
PvE Conda 1: https://s.orbis.zone/82G5
PvE Conda 2: https://s.orbis.zone/82G7
PvP Conda: https://s.orbis.zone/aoIa (decent all-rounder for fighting vettes/condas/cutters)
Grecale80
27 Nov 2020, 4:43pm
Captin Pelley
Grecale80A question for other Cmdrs, espcially for anaconda owners.

For a combat oriented Conda (pve and pvp) which kind of weapon do you suggest for the ventral Large hp?

I've tried gimballed mc and it's quite ok; i've tried a third large beam laser and after a shock cannon, but both seems be a bit lacking with aiming (i use gimballed weapon)

Any new prospective or suggestion?

Thx anybody in advantage




PvP and PvE builds differ by orders of magnitude. Ill give you one for each as you shouldn't mix a PvE build and a PvP build.
PvE Conda 1: https://s.orbis.zone/82G5
PvE Conda 2: https://s.orbis.zone/82G7
PvP Conda: https://s.orbis.zone/aoIa (decent all-rounder for fighting vettes/condas/cutters)


Yep i know Hybrid pve/pvp is not a good choice, i asked for both. So thx for your suggestions
Viscera
27 Nov 2020, 4:59pm
Grecale80A question for other Cmdrs, espcially for anaconda owners.

For a combat oriented Conda (pve and pvp) which kind of weapon do you suggest for the ventral Large hp?

I've tried gimballed mc and it's quite ok; i've tried a third large beam laser and after a shock cannon, but both seems be a bit lacking with aiming (i use gimballed weapon)

Any new prospective or suggestion?

Thx anybody in advantage


I am probably alone in my view, but the three large and two medium have excellent convergence on the annaconda.

I run fixed lasers in those slots. Two large burst on top, and one large (bottom) and two med beams.

This is my "firebase".

It is supplemented by the gimballed huge multicannon with corrosive, and two small pulse with emmissive.

To be honest the smalls should probably be turrets just to add shots whenever they get a target... I just had the gimbals in my inventory.

It hits well in this set up, and is actually very manouvrable for my flight style (i do not fa off).

It does not excel at pvp, but 50% of that at least will be down to the pilot rather than the ship.
Eris
27 Nov 2020, 5:59pm
Amata LireinEither way:

I myself am not convinced that we'll be heading into a Fed-Imperial war anytime soon as neither the Feds or the Empire are really ready for one due to their internal problems.

The Federation is currently not stable enough to risk one, because if the hints that Hudson may indeed have been involved with the assasination attempt on former President Halsey it would suddenly be leaderless... something you do not want in the middle of an ongoing war.

The Empire on the other hand first has to get rid of the NMLA before being able to start a war like that. Why? Because the NMLA has proven at least twice already (with the assassinations of Prince Harold Duval as well as the attempt on Hadrian Augustus Duval) that they can quite easily infiltrate the most secure facilities inside the Empire. That would be too much of a security risk during a full-scale war with the Federation.

So no, I think until those two problems have been taken care off this is just a lot of sabre-rattling (though I will admit, since those sabres easily way several megatons in form of their respective capital ships, the rattling is rather loud).


I wouldn't be so sure about internal strife preventing war. Multiple times throughout irl history an outside war is utilised to distract and unify the internal problems of a nation. An outside threat is used as an excuse to get everyone to forget about whatever they were arguing about and focus on fighting this new enemy.

WW1 helped Britain initially, as it distracted Labour Unions and Women's Sufferage. One argument I've seen medieval historians (I'm one myself) present for the reasons the First Crusade was called was to partly act as a outlet for European infighting and to strengthen the position of the Papacy - France was unstable, and the German Emperors had been arguing with the Popes for decades, and after the first Crusade France became a little more stable and the Pope had gained a huge boost to his authority.

In ED, I'd say a war would definitely be a good thing for at least Zachary Hudson's interests - it would potentially serve as a distraction from the investigation into his link to the death of President Halsey, and his more bellicose attitude would prove far more popular than Winter's more peaceful approach if a war did start. It happens in real life - the beligerant politicians get a boost in popularity as soon as a war starts. In a way the NMLA blowing up Kepler Orbital was suspiciously convenient for Hudson - it played into his hands by making Felicia Winters look as if she had just allowed terrorists into the Federation with open arms.

As for the Empire, well a war could be great, or terrible depending on how they handle it. Since the NMLA are democratic revolutionaries, and Marlinists in general are supporters of democracy, the Empire could use a war with the "democratic" Federation as an excuse to brand all Marlinists as potential security threats, allowing them to more harshly persecute them. Depending on how they handle that, the Empire could either utilise a war to erradicate the NMLA, or they could really screw it up and make things worse. The alternative route could be that more diplomatically minded people within the Empire may try and seek to use a war with the Federation to temprarily unify Traditionalists and Marlinists against a common enemy, but I think this is incredibly unlikely.

For Denton Patreus especially, a war could be extremely beneficial, or downright end his career. To put it briefly, if the war goes well for the Empire, or even just not bad, it'll make Patreus look good - as with Hudson, he's a more bellicose politician. If it goes badly though, it's very likely a large portion of the blame will fall on his shoulders, and that's the last thing Patreus needs.

Really a war would be a gamble - It could be used to fix, or at least distract from internal problems, but whichever side loses are going to see their problems become a whole lot worse.

Last edit: 27 Nov 2020, 6:13pm
Grecale80
27 Nov 2020, 6:21pm
Viscera


I am probably alone in my view, but the three large and two medium have excellent convergence on the annaconda.

I run fixed lasers in those slots. Two large burst on top, and one large (bottom) and two med beams.

This is my "firebase".

It is supplemented by the gimballed huge multicannon with corrosive, and two small pulse with emmissive.

To be honest the smalls should probably be turrets just to add shots whenever they get a target... I just had the gimbals in my inventory.

It hits well in this set up, and is actually very manouvrable for my flight style (i do not fa off).

It does not excel at pvp, but 50% of that at least will be down to the pilot rather than the ship.


well on my pve conda on the small i have 2 seeker missile launchers. I agree with the convergence of the 2 medium and the 2 large on the top: i mount 2 beam large gimballed and they aim perfectly. I was a bit disappointed with the ventral large: the aim is ok with the mc, but with beam or shock cannon gimballed the aim is not perfect, and i was wondering about an alternative. I'm a bit unsure about using fixed wepon due to the low agility of the ship: stay on a fast target can be a problem
Episparh
27 Nov 2020, 7:35pm
@Grecale80, I am with Captain Pelley for his 1st suggestion. I also think this is the build suggestion in PvE combat guide which I have linked here multiple times.

Else, I have this conda but it is rather a fun boat. More or less same philosophy but only fixed MC and two small rails.
Grecale80
27 Nov 2020, 7:56pm
Episparh@Grecale80, I am with Captain Pelley for his 1st suggestion. I also think this is the build suggestion in PvE combat guide which I have linked here multiple times.

Else, I have this conda but it is rather a fun boat. More or less same philosophy but only fixed MC and two small rails.



thx Epis, i will study the first loadout with attention
Episparh
27 Nov 2020, 8:42pm
Hint for the BH CGs:

For Feds: you go to Nelson Dock in LHS 54 and stack pirate assassination/massacre missions for Parutis system. Killing pirates and handing them in Schweickart City.


For Imps: you go to NLTT 9447 plenty of RES. The System is controlled by Artemis Corporation so you kill there but claim vouchers at Miyasaka Orbital in MANDH.

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