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Rebecca Hail

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Like I said: The Fednecks are rather quick at applying military pressure when things don't go their way the first time. Achenar rejecting to join the Federation? SEND AN EXPEDITIONARY FLEET! Settlers don't want to sell their land to the corporations? BIRTHRIGHT WARS!

The trackrecord of the Federation with these kind of things isn't the best...

Claiming that the conflict between the Empire and the Federation was caused by Corporations is flat out false.

I haven't said that. I said that the Feds response to the rejection of an offer is usually military action, be it on orders of the government (Achenar) or the corporations (Birthright Wars).

Rebecca Hail

Amata Lirein

Rebecca Hail



Claiming that the conflict between the Empire and the Federation was caused by Corporations is flat out false.

I haven't said that. I said that the Feds response to the rejection of an offer is usually military action, be it on orders of the government (Achenar) or the corporations (Birthright Wars).

Ah, sry, I misread that. Still a misrepresentation of the situation and not comparable to Core Dynamics wanting to merge with Lakon. ^^

I, on the other hand, remember the Empire trying to invade a system controlled by the Federation for their own internal reasons not too long ago. One could subsequently say that the same goes for the Empire.

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Rebecca Hail

Amata Lirein



I haven't said that. I said that the Feds response to the rejection of an offer is usually military action, be it on orders of the government (Achenar) or the corporations (Birthright Wars).

Ah, sry, I misread that. Still a misrepresentation of the situation and not comparable to Core Dynamics wanting to merge with Lakon. ^^

I, on the other hand, remember the Empire trying to invade a system controlled by the Federation for their own internal reasons not too long ago. One could subsequently say that the same goes for the Empire.

That case had one major difference though: The Empire had hard evidence that the NMLA is operating out of that system, but the Federation outright refused to either cooperate or investigate on their own. Only afterwards they did some digging on orders of the Vice President, and as the bomb making facility in said system has not been shut down the Federation payed dearly for their arrogance with a bombed station.

Rebecca HailHad the Empire wanted to cooperate, it would've either asked for permission to dispatch investigators into the system or it would've shared the intelligence it had concerning the bomb making sites. It did not and decided to provoke the Federation into a conflict instead.

(...)A report from the Imperial Internal Security Service stated:

“With information provided by the engineer Liz Ryder, we located an abandoned workshop where explosives had been constructed using her blueprints. Traces were found of Thargoid caustic enzymes, matching the payloads delivered during the starport bombings.”

“Micro-signage on cargo containers identified bulk deliveries of equipment from a Federal system in neutral space, where we believe the NMLA has a second bomb-making facility. IISS agents are currently investigating to confirm these findings.”

Federal Ambassador Jordan Rochester refuted these allegations:

“The suggestion that we’re responsible for the Empire’s home-grown extremists is laughable. As with their persecution of Marlinists, this is another excuse for an inability to solve their own problems.”(...)

Source

And no, nothing was left out from these excerpts.

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Rebecca HailHad the Empire wanted to cooperate, it would've either asked for permission to dispatch investigators into the system or it would've shared the intelligence it had concerning the bomb making sites. It did not and decided to provoke the Federation into a conflict instead.

That's wrong.

(...)A report from the Imperial Internal Security Service stated:

“With information provided by the engineer Liz Ryder, we located an abandoned workshop where explosives had been constructed using her blueprints. Traces were found of Thargoid caustic enzymes, matching the payloads delivered during the starport bombings.”

“Micro-signage on cargo containers identified bulk deliveries of equipment from a Federal system in neutral space, where we believe the NMLA has a second bomb-making facility. IISS agents are currently investigating to confirm these findings.”

The Empire made their evidence PUBLIC for all to see. The Federal response?

Federal Ambassador Jordan Rochester refuted these allegations:

“The suggestion that we’re responsible for the Empire’s home-grown extremists is laughable. As with their persecution of Marlinists, this is another excuse for an inability to solve their own problems.”(...)

Source

And no, nothing was left out from these excerpts.

The Federation outright dismissed the very idea that the NMLA could get support from somewhere inside the Federation despite the Empire making their evidence public.

Rebecca Hail

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Rebecca HailHad the Empire wanted to cooperate, it would've either asked for permission to dispatch investigators into the system or it would've shared the intelligence it had concerning the bomb making sites. It did not and decided to provoke the Federation into a conflict instead.

That's wrong.

(...)A report from the Imperial Internal Security Service stated:

“With information provided by the engineer Liz Ryder, we located an abandoned workshop where explosives had been constructed using her blueprints. Traces were found of Thargoid caustic enzymes, matching the payloads delivered during the starport bombings.”

“Micro-signage on cargo containers identified bulk deliveries of equipment from a Federal system in neutral space, where we believe the NMLA has a second bomb-making facility. IISS agents are currently investigating to confirm these findings.”

The Empire made their evidence PUBLIC for all to see. The Federal response?

Federal Ambassador Jordan Rochester refuted these allegations:

“The suggestion that we’re responsible for the Empire’s home-grown extremists is laughable. As with their persecution of Marlinists, this is another excuse for an inability to solve their own problems.”(...)

Source

And no, nothing was left out from these excerpts.

The Federation outright dismissed the very idea that the NMLA could get support from somewhere inside the Federation despite the Empire making their evidence public.

No, it didn't. The Federation suggested that it is laughable that the Federation itself supported the NMLA, not that someone inside the Federation does. Rochester represents the federal government and communicates their official stance. Especially since the Imperial Ambassador refers to rumors about support from the Federation itself for the NMLA in the very same news article.

But that's irrelevant too, since that's a) not sharing intelligence since that does not happen over public channels, b) micro-signages on cargo containers of bulk deliveries of unspecified equipment are pretty thin evidence and c) there's no indication that the Empire received permission to dispatch forces or investigators into the Federation.

Again, the Federation defending is natural and expected and the Empire knew that when it decided to attempt to occupy a federal system. Had the Empire instead decided to just dispatch their intelligence services, the Federation might have just pretended that nothing happened. Of course it is pure coincidence that the Empire tries to occupy a system that holds many Marlinists refugees, which they want deported back to the Empire, by force. Obviously it would've been just for the sake of the investigation into the NMLA and none of the refugees would've forced to go back to the Empire.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the Federation isn't in the wrong here. ^^

The Empire’s counter-terrorism operation in the LTT 1935 system has triggered armed resistance from the Federation.

The Imperial Internal Security Service’s investigation into the NMLA terrorist group led its agents to LTT 1935, a Federation-controlled system in neutral space. Military vessels were called in for support, only to be met in combat by Federal forces.

Source

Rebecca Hail

Amata Lirein

Rebecca Hail



Claiming that the conflict between the Empire and the Federation was caused by Corporations is flat out false.

I haven't said that. I said that the Feds response to the rejection of an offer is usually military action, be it on orders of the government (Achenar) or the corporations (Birthright Wars).

Ah, sry, I misread that. Still a misrepresentation of the situation and not comparable to Core Dynamics wanting to merge with Lakon. ^^

I, on the other hand, remember the Empire trying to invade a system controlled by the Federation for their own internal reasons not too long ago. One could subsequently say that the same goes for the Empire.

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Rebecca Hail
No, it didn't. The Federation suggested that it is laughable that the Federation itself supported the NMLA, not that someone inside the Federation does. Rochester represents the federal government and communicates their official stance. Especially since the Imperial Ambassador refers to rumors about support from the Federation itself for the NMLA in the very same news article.

But that's irrelevant too, since that's a) not sharing intelligence since that does not happen over public channels, b) micro-signages on cargo containers of bulk deliveries of unspecified equipment are pretty thin evidence and c) there's no indication that the Empire received permission to dispatch forces or investigators into the Federation.

Again, the Federation defending is natural and expected and the Empire knew that when it decided to attempt to occupy a federal system. Had the Empire instead decided to just dispatch their intelligence services, the Federation might have just pretended that nothing happened. Of course it is pure coincidence that the Empire tries to occupy a system that holds many Marlinists refugees, which they want deported back to the Empire, by force. Obviously it would've been just for the sake of the investigation into the NMLA and none of the refugees would've forced to go back to the Empire.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the Federation isn't in the wrong here. ^^

But the IISS never SAID that the Federation was involved directly, only that the NMLA got support from INSIDE the Federation. Big difference. Rochester just twisted it into an accusation by the Empire against the Federation itself. Also the attempt to conquer the system was only made after the local authorities began to fight the Imperial investigators, occupation of that system was originally not planned and was only deemed necessary once their investigators got fired upon.

The Empire’s counter-terrorism operation in the LTT 1935 system has triggered armed resistance from the Federation.

The Imperial Internal Security Service’s investigation into the NMLA terrorist group led its agents to LTT 1935, a Federation-controlled system in neutral space. Military vessels were called in for support, only to be met in combat by Federal forces.

Source

As this article points out: The Imperial Navy got only called in after the IISS got attacked by Federal armed forces.

The Empire’s counter-terrorism operation in the LTT 1935 system has triggered armed resistance from the Federation.

The Imperial Internal Security Service’s investigation into the NMLA terrorist group led its agents to LTT 1935, a Federation-controlled system in neutral space.

Military vessels were called in for support,(...)

(...)only to be met in combat by Federal forces.

Amata LireinRead that article again...

The Empire’s counter-terrorism operation in the LTT 1935 system has triggered armed resistance from the Federation.

This happened FIRST.

The Imperial Internal Security Service’s investigation into the NMLA terrorist group led its agents to LTT 1935, a Federation-controlled system in neutral space.

Here Galnet elaborates why the IISS was in that system in the first place.

Military vessels were called in for support,(...)

IISS called in the military for protection after meeting said "armed resistance"...

(...)only to be met in combat by Federal forces.

...which then led to the CG.

The Empire’s counter-terrorism operation in the LTT 1935 system has triggered armed resistance from the Federation.

Also:

I stand by my statement that the IISS never accused the Federation itself. Galnet's headline was referring to the Imperial Ambassador's (admittingly heated and ill advised) response to Rochester's (equally ill advised) rebuttal of the IISS's claims that the trail led into Federal space (which it did).

EpisparhI am sure Aleks is preparing the mud wrestling ring for you two