Elite: Game talk

James Hussar
05 Jan 2021, 2:45pm
Synthya Wylder
TousaakHello Cmdr's;

I'm new to INARA but not ED. 1500 hrs and counting overall love the game. I have just experienced a conundrum. Had to log off in a hurry and the only dock near was a carrier. Two days later im 1500 ly from anywhere and no way back. All carriers show no departure times. what to do now?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks so much



A question I have is, why did you feel it necessary to dock somewhere? When I've been far out exploring & needed to log out, I found some place in a system, & simply logged out. Upon returning later, I logged back in & returned to the same place, no problems.

That's the problem with carriers which aren't yours, or at least, one that isn't a friend's or one of your squadron members.

Perhaps, try to see if you can find something to keep you busy for a while, & try to contact another carrier & see if they might be passing by anytime soon?

I'm guessing, any system is too far away to jump?


This is a very reasonable question, and it reminds me of when I was new to the game. The fact that the clock kept on ticking, missions would expire, etc, strongly implied to me that I needed to be safely docked somewhere before logging out. I think I operated with this misperception for a few days, maybe even weeks. Then, I nervously landed on a planet before logging off. Then I tried it in space. I think it was just ignorance trying to reconcile a continuing universe with my on-again, off-again presence in it.
Synthya Wylder
05 Jan 2021, 3:00pm
I think I equated it with putting my ship on auto standby, leaving my pilot's seat, & going to hit my bunk after a long day. Even in space, pilots need to sleep!
Episparh
05 Jan 2021, 5:03pm
I usually leave my ship in station as this is usually where my game loop ends. In rare cases when I am out in the black or urgent matters call - I just drop from supercruise, away from Orbital lines and logoff. Landing on planet for the night is only optional for me.

I left the ship with half cargo even in rings few times and found it just fine, although some pirates offered their heads for additional bonus.
Wilddoktor
05 Jan 2021, 5:05pm
TousaakHello Cmdr's;

I'm new to INARA but not ED. 1500 hrs and counting overall love the game. I have just experienced a conundrum. Had to log off in a hurry and the only dock near was a carrier. Two days later im 1500 ly from anywhere and no way back. All carriers show no departure times. what to do now?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks so much


I'm brand new to ED (just rolled over 100 hours last night), and I've recently done the same as @Tousaak twice; once because I was out mining when Frontier notified everybody that maintenance was happening, and once because I was mining in a system with a bajillion carriers and figured they wouldn't move (but they did!). Thankfully the carriers "only" moved 90 and 117 ly away. :-)

Synthya Wylder
A question I have is, why did you feel it necessary to dock somewhere? When I've been far out exploring & needed to log out, I found some place in a system, & simply logged out. ...


I felt it necessary to dock because I thought that simply floating around in space, especially in a planet's ring, with cargo on board, would get my ship smashed up and ganked (I play in solo, for now). This actually happened to me a couple weeks ago; I left my ship in a planet's ring (but didn't log out of the game), went and tucked my daughter into bed, and came back to an insurance claim. :-( If I had logged out, would I have been safe?

What options are there for logging out, while in space, and not coming back to an insurance claim?
Episparh
05 Jan 2021, 5:08pm
When you logout - your ship/SRV/slf disappear from the game.
Only Fleet Carriers are persistent, but they cannot be destroyed, cannot be robbed or cannot get harmed in anyway you can imagine.
Artie
05 Jan 2021, 5:11pm
I just add - logging out in the rings can be risky, because the game may spawn a boulder on top of your ship at the next session start (which may be a reason of your insurence claim). So when leaving the game it the rings, it's safer the fly further away from it. Leaving the ship unattended in the rings without logging out may also have some risk (depends on the place), as the boulders are rotating and may collide with your ship or some NPC pirates may appear.
Episparh
05 Jan 2021, 5:15pm
ArtieI just add - logging out in the rings can be risky, because the game may spawn a boulder on top of your ship at the next session start (which was very likely the reason of your insurence claim). So when leaving the game it the rings, it's safer the fly further away from it.


Ha, haven't thought about this but I am sure I had logged out mid ring... Perhaps, I was lucky.


... I need to check that.
Wilddoktor
05 Jan 2021, 5:17pm
EpisparhWhen you logout - your ship disappear from the game.
Only Fleet Carriers are persistent, but they cannot be destroyed, cannot be robbed or cannot get harmed in anyway you can imagine.


Oh, wow; that's great news! That's going to make my feeble attempts at mining much more enjoyable. Thanks!

(Meaning: I only have about an hour and a half IRL to "play" every other night or so; and finding a station to dock at before logging out, then jumping to a mining system when I log in, only gives me about 20-30 minutes to actually look for core asteroids. And since it's still taking me 20 minutes to find my first one when I jump into a ring (yeah; I'm not very good yet!), my "mining" time has been really short. Being able to just log out and back in right within near the ring is going to be awesome!)
Episparh
05 Jan 2021, 5:22pm
Wilddoktor


Oh, wow; that's great news! That's going to make my feeble attempts at mining much more enjoyable. Thanks!

(Meaning: I only have about an hour and a half IRL to "play" every other night or so; and finding a station to dock at before logging out, then jumping to a mining system when I log in, only gives me about 20-30 minutes to actually look for core asteroids. And since it's still taking me 20 minutes to find my first one when I jump into a ring (yeah; I'm not very good yet!), my "mining" time has been really short. Being able to just log out and back in right within near the ring is going to be awesome!)


In case of mining you should know that always when you enter an instance around rings a pirate NPCs will spawn. If you have cargo which is not limpets they will attack you. So you need either to kill them or outrun them. Entering instance is not only drop from/in SC but also login.
Artie
05 Jan 2021, 5:22pm
Episparh
Ha, haven't thought about this but I am sure I had logged out mid ring... Perhaps, I was lucky.


... I need to check that.

Yeah, it's alright usually, but I have seen numerous reports of people getting destroyed in the rings by it, so I always fly some distance above/below the ring in normal space before logging out, as it's always safe.
Synthya Wylder
05 Jan 2021, 5:26pm
I usually play in Solo or PG (private group).

Most places in 'the Bubble' have NPC Pirates. Unless you have a ship equipped with turrets set on 'fire@will' &/ a SLF (ship-launched fighter) set to Defend, NPC Pirates can & will be at least, pesky, or worse.

Some utilities like EDDiscovery can log activities & interactions.

Floating in a planet's ring (of asteroids/rocks) can have its own hazards... especially if you haven't come to a complete stop.

Yes, if you had logged out in something like a planet's ring, you'd have likely logged back into find your ship a short distance away (above or below the plane), since I'm assuming, the game wouldn't know exactly where each & every rock was... I guess it simply wouldn't do to log back into find your ship inside 1 of those rocks!

I'm quite careful when I step away from my machine & only do so if I have taken precautions like the ones I mentioned above, & make it as short a time as possible - maybe, a minute or 2 at the most, preferably, only a matter of seconds.

As Epi mentioned earlier, I think it prudent to make sure you have 'Display Orbital Paths/Lines' set & avoid logging out in their paths.

I've never had any problems, logging out of the game & leaving my ship floating (I've done a good bit of Exploring)... but I do make sure the 1st thing I do upon logging back in is to expand my radar range, engage 'Night Vision' & scan about, check my surroundings, in case of impending doom.

I'll say, considering all the above, logging out with your ship floating is safe, same with being landed on a planet or moon.

Others may add more... I'm still relatively Newb... o7
Wilddoktor
05 Jan 2021, 5:37pm
Episparh

In case of mining you should know that always when you enter an instance around rings a pirate NPCs will spawn. If you have cargo which is not limpets they will attack you. So you need either to kill them or outrun them. Entering instance is not only drop from/in SC but also login.


^^^This. I thought of this after hitting "enter" on my last reply. So, this won't really be an option for me after all, as I'd be logging out with stuff in my cargo hold. Bummer. Wonder if I jettison the stuff first, then log out; will it be there to collect when I log back in? Doubtful...
Episparh
05 Jan 2021, 5:46pm
Wilddoktor

^^^This. I thought of this after hitting "enter" on my last reply. So, this won't really be an option for me after all, as I'd be logging out with stuff in my cargo hold. Bummer. Wonder if I jettison the stuff first, then log out; will it be there to collect when I log back in? Doubtful...


Well, there is no point to jettison large amount of goods. If you follow Artie's advice to logoff far above/under rings where you are not mass locked just select a nearest system and high wake if pirates scan you. You will be safe if you do not fly a cardboard ship.

The other option is to have a fast ship. Usually ships that can do 500+ m/s can outrun the pirates and break contact with them. But then, this sometimes can take you few minutes.
Episparh
05 Jan 2021, 5:53pm
Oh, I just checked you ships. I cannot see the builds but given what your AspX worths it is indeed a cardboard ship.

I will advise you to not go for best overlap hotspot but rather look for one close to the bubble. Profit per hour include travel times to Hotspot and sell location. In your particular case farming random cores near close half decent sell location can be more efficient than using the method applicable for min/maxed miner build in best yield location.
Wilddoktor
05 Jan 2021, 6:58pm
EpisparhOh, I just checked you ships. I cannot see the builds but given what your AspX worths it is indeed a cardboard ship.

I will advise you to not go for best overlap hotspot but rather look for one close to the bubble. Profit per hour include travel times to Hotspot and sell location. In your particular case farming random cores near close half decent sell location can be more efficient than using the method applicable for min/maxed miner build in best yield location.


Yep, cardboard ship(s). :-) You're not seeing the latest builds / ships because Epic Games hasn't been connecting with INARA for about a week now. I now have a Python, but it's still cardboard. (I'm at work so can't link my current builds.)

So, yeah; think I'll get back in the ASP and do some "close, half decent sell location" mining, and see if a couple quicker runs for less money makes the same profit per hour as the longer runs to better paying systems. I've never mined more than 25 units of *anything* in a single session anyway (still having a hard time finding those shiny core astroids, even after watching more hours of youtube vids than I've spent playing the game so far!)., so buying and using the Python for mining has been more a detriment than a good thing as it's slower and less maneuverable.

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