Jolly RogerYea don't know if it has to do with my not so great internet that its putting me in a diff instance or something like that I have gone all over the last week to some hot spots I found online and nothing really. Only luck ive really had is finding areas with high traffic reports. Ive tried contested systems and don't seem to find anyone at all tried hanging around some rare goods locations same there but that was kinda a crapshoot anyways. I would say only like 3 of the 10 ive seen were in starting ships so not to bad just cant seem to find the prime hunting grounds I'm looking for. Things ive tried so far some rare trade locations, powerplay conflict areas, some home areas of player factions, and community goal areas which there are non right now that I know of. I would say of the 10 cmdrs ive seen all but 2 were in the starting area so havn't had much luck yet, oh yea also looked around SOL for a while. I guess that's part of the fun of it to me is trying to find a good area.

Jolly RogerWell just to be clear, I in no way was looking to ruin anyones day and or grief them I simply hunt bounties and if I see a chance to get some cargo then I take it but as of yet still have not shot a single round at a player target. By the time I announce my intentions and pull them out of hyperdrive and get out and run my scanner they disconnect so the fun in that is over I guess. Just wish people would play the game, as someone else said I guess theres no right or wrong but I guess I will just continue on my original path and maybe one day I will run into a CMDR that will stay and play the game. The way I always seen it was if you don't want interaction with other players to play in solo mode or on a private group but maybe I was wrong. Keep on flying and I appreciate all your responses that helped me decide how to move on.

Jack Dekerdt

XeknosThen they'll just disconnect anyway. Good luck being a griefer.

If one plays the role of a pirate and asks for your cargo, whether under conditions or not, that is not griefing. Some pirates give a warning (stand and deliver) or they shoot. A griefer is one who intentionally under the spirit of ruining others play, destroys ships or otherwise disrupts other players for no other reason than to ruin the session. There is no rule in the game that I am aware of that says a pirate must announce their intentions. Camping and destroying empty ships, starter ships, etc., with no cargo, no bounty, etc. It is about the intent. If one is a trader it is assumed risk that you will be interdicted. As a trader, I accept the risk. Sure, it is frustrating and we can argue all day about needing better armor or weapons on traders but it is a risk. The player that operates outside the 'spirit' of the game whether employing cheats, or on the other end, blowing up ships for no financial or rep gain might be seen as griefers. Still others say, well I'm a psycho-berserker and my MO is just killing for killing, so I'm not a griefer. It is an argument without a lot of agreement in the end--there are as many opinions as complaints. I do object strenuously, to those that log when they know they are beat--that is just as much griefing as the other examples. This is all of course, my opinion. BTW, I'm a trader and a BH. I've been interdicted by priates and yeah, it is frustrating, and I have to calculate my odds and decide to stand or flee. I will not drop cargo for anyone ever. I've found if one has excellent pilot and combat skills one can generally survive in interdiction one way or another. There isn't a need to log, logging indicates a lazy pilot with poor piloting and reasoning skills, again, my opinion.

Xeknos

Jack Dekerdt

XeknosThen they'll just disconnect anyway. Good luck being a griefer.

If one plays the role of a pirate and asks for your cargo, whether under conditions or not, that is not griefing. Some pirates give a warning (stand and deliver) or they shoot. A griefer is one who intentionally under the spirit of ruining others play, destroys ships or otherwise disrupts other players for no other reason than to ruin the session. There is no rule in the game that I am aware of that says a pirate must announce their intentions. Camping and destroying empty ships, starter ships, etc., with no cargo, no bounty, etc. It is about the intent. If one is a trader it is assumed risk that you will be interdicted. As a trader, I accept the risk. Sure, it is frustrating and we can argue all day about needing better armor or weapons on traders but it is a risk. The player that operates outside the 'spirit' of the game whether employing cheats, or on the other end, blowing up ships for no financial or rep gain might be seen as griefers. Still others say, well I'm a psycho-berserker and my MO is just killing for killing, so I'm not a griefer. It is an argument without a lot of agreement in the end--there are as many opinions as complaints. I do object strenuously, to those that log when they know they are beat--that is just as much griefing as the other examples. This is all of course, my opinion. BTW, I'm a trader and a BH. I've been interdicted by priates and yeah, it is frustrating, and I have to calculate my odds and decide to stand or flee. I will not drop cargo for anyone ever. I've found if one has excellent pilot and combat skills one can generally survive in interdiction one way or another. There isn't a need to log, logging indicates a lazy pilot with poor piloting and reasoning skills, again, my opinion.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I don't think you understood the exchange. Pirating isn't griefing, so long as reasonable demands are made and time is allowed to attempt to comply. My post was in direct response to him threatening he was going to simply start opening fire on people because they weren't allowing him to be a pirate. That is griefing.

Granted, we could just avoid this matter entirely by making PVE groups like Mobius more known, but until that happens we need to find a way to deal with the people who play in open but don't want to PVP - expecting them to leave because they won't play by your rules is elitist, at best.

Jack Dekerdt

Xeknos

Jack Dekerdt

XeknosThen they'll just disconnect anyway. Good luck being a griefer.

If one plays the role of a pirate and asks for your cargo, whether under conditions or not, that is not griefing. Some pirates give a warning (stand and deliver) or they shoot. A griefer is one who intentionally under the spirit of ruining others play, destroys ships or otherwise disrupts other players for no other reason than to ruin the session. There is no rule in the game that I am aware of that says a pirate must announce their intentions. Camping and destroying empty ships, starter ships, etc., with no cargo, no bounty, etc. It is about the intent. If one is a trader it is assumed risk that you will be interdicted. As a trader, I accept the risk. Sure, it is frustrating and we can argue all day about needing better armor or weapons on traders but it is a risk. The player that operates outside the 'spirit' of the game whether employing cheats, or on the other end, blowing up ships for no financial or rep gain might be seen as griefers. Still others say, well I'm a psycho-berserker and my MO is just killing for killing, so I'm not a griefer. It is an argument without a lot of agreement in the end--there are as many opinions as complaints. I do object strenuously, to those that log when they know they are beat--that is just as much griefing as the other examples. This is all of course, my opinion. BTW, I'm a trader and a BH. I've been interdicted by priates and yeah, it is frustrating, and I have to calculate my odds and decide to stand or flee. I will not drop cargo for anyone ever. I've found if one has excellent pilot and combat skills one can generally survive in interdiction one way or another. There isn't a need to log, logging indicates a lazy pilot with poor piloting and reasoning skills, again, my opinion.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I don't think you understood the exchange. Pirating isn't griefing, so long as reasonable demands are made and time is allowed to attempt to comply. My post was in direct response to him threatening he was going to simply start opening fire on people because they weren't allowing him to be a pirate. That is griefing.

Granted, we could just avoid this matter entirely by making PVE groups like Mobius more known, but until that happens we need to find a way to deal with the people who play in open but don't want to PVP - expecting them to leave because they won't play by your rules is elitist, at best.

I understood you perfectly. Combat logging is a type of griefing. On the other side of the coin, my original question still stands, show me where it says a pirate has to announce anything? I've been iterdicted by pirates that want to have a tea party and others that blast away without warning, cost of doing business as I see it. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Jolly RogerGuess I will get a word back in so a pirate doesn't have to be after you cargo that's just the way I was going about it, and combat logging no matter how you look at it s not acceptable if you don't want to play with other players play solo or private no more discussion is needed and now I'm up to 14 intradicts all warned before the intradict of what was going to happen and all but 1 combat logged so why wouild pirates want to give you a chance to comply.

Jolly RogerI'm sorry I hurt your feelings Xeknos I will go play my game and enjoy it have a good time.