Elite: Game talk

Salmonea
02 Sep 2021, 3:42pm
EpisparhMy fps is usually 50-60. In conflict zones it drops to 25. I've noticed that on some planets (with more features such as stones and biologicals) around settlements the performance drops to unplayable 5-9 fps slideshow. Fires and scavengers can lead to additional performance drops. The game is poorly optimized - this is the truth. You can throw better hardware at it but you still risk performance drops in some situations on-foot, where a second flickering can lead to failure in whatever you doing.

My FPS on ground settlements sometimes drops at 1FP10S (1 frame per 10 seconds).
Kayomin
02 Sep 2021, 4:56pm
Sakashiro
KayominExploring nice looking planets while in VR and hunting down pirates in belts is a nice diversion, but i'd rather get some juicy content than months of performance tweaks until horizon parity is gained (which will never happen, them ever stating it would was stupid, horizon is far too simplistic to be a serious performance target).


Horizons performs better because it's more "simplistic"?

How do you explain this?
[img=610x736]https://i.imgur.com/JL5JUTd.png[/img]

I'm getting so tired of people making up excuses for FDev's display of utter incompetence. I'm not sure what exactly is going on at that company, but my guess is that all the experienced engineers have been purged and replaced with low-paid interns.


My night vision looks nothing like that, it works exactly as it did in horizons so again that's a specific bug.







Burstar
I'm more surprised that nobodies calling out the 'exploring nice looking planets in VR' line. You can't even do that in Oddity. Soon as you land and step pop out on foot your VR is just a lower resolution flat screen so what's the point? Imagine paying $5000 for a system just to experience this and being happy for the privilege . It's like buying a Lamborghini to drive in New York: "but these cupholders are awesome!"


You can enter into freecam while on foot since the recent update, attach it in front of your characters face and emulate pretty well what on foot VR would look like both scale and movement speed wise, so there's nothing to call out except for your ignorance i guess.


To surmise, the odyssey experience is clearly split between two camps, those who enjoy it with no disgusting visual issues or absurd fps drops, and those who are pissed off because they *can't* enjoy odyssey even if they wanted to because for some reason bugs love em.

Sad but oh well, one thing is for sure - FDEV can and must fix it, so everyone can stop whining about trivial tech shit and focus on the more important content elements.

Last edit: 02 Sep 2021, 6:31pm
Burstar
02 Sep 2021, 6:08pm
Kayomin You can enter into freecam while on foot since the recent update, attach it in front of your characters face and emulate pretty well what on foot VR would look like both scale and movement speed wise, so there's nothing to call out except for your ignorance i guess.

To surmise, the odyssey experience is clearly split between two camps, those who enjoy it with no disgusting visual issues or absurd fps drops, and those who are pissed off because they *can't* enjoy odyssey even if they wanted to because for some reason bugs love em.


I wouldn't call intolerance of of an unsatisfactory work around 'ignorance' but then again, we all know what they say about assumptions...

And FTR the 'split' is between one tiny arrogantly dismissive subset of the community that supposedly has no issues and a vast majority experiencing bugs/issues/poor performance/FDev BS.

Exhibit A:

We can agree that they definitely need to fix it because the game is rotting away before our very eyes.
Sakashiro
02 Sep 2021, 9:38pm
Nathan AtterleinI guess that's what happens when you add in a completely different dynamic into an already existing, flushed out videogame. Not even sure why the two are compared to eachother, as if they were separate things. Odyssey is most definitely not a ground-up rebuilt version of ED, and that's most probably the reason why it performs so poorly.

I'd say the renderer was probably rewritten, and not by the same people who wrote the previous one. That's why so many things that worked before are now broken or were simply removed. Remember how in Horizons the cockpit would fill with smoke when temperatures reached critical levels? Probably too difficult to render now, so they removed it. But when you're docked on a landing pad inside a station, the steam outside the ship is Z-sorted in front of your avatar's hair. Never happened before, and four months after release it still isn't fixed. Amateur hour.

By the way, I don't believe the addition of bipedal SRVs required a fundamental redesign of major parts of the game. Odyssey could have been a smashing success if FDev had left the renderer unchanged. People wanted to walk around in their ships. No one was asking for an overhaul of the renderer.
Burstar
02 Sep 2021, 10:01pm
I always hated that smoke in the cockpit mechanic. If your electronics are smoking they are taking damage. At the very least it should have only occurred above 100% heat. I for one won't miss it.
Kurakil
02 Sep 2021, 10:07pm
BurstarI always hated that smoke in the cockpit mechanic. If your electronics are smoking they are taking damage. At the very least it should have only occurred above 100% heat. I for one won't miss it.

I gave up long ago trying to explain things in this game using logic and reasoning.
Sakashiro
02 Sep 2021, 10:18pm
I like it.

Imperial Senator Bluecrash
03 Sep 2021, 12:54pm
Kurakil
BurstarI always hated that smoke in the cockpit mechanic. If your electronics are smoking they are taking damage. At the very least it should have only occurred above 100% heat. I for one won't miss it.


I gave up long ago trying to explain things in this game using logic and reasoning.


Have you seen the Guardian Glossary? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K5QkPM1Qv1m_g7xjNJ96rkzOmqi36XT_H7yEbMRJvaU/edit?usp=sharing
Imperial Senator Bluecrash
03 Sep 2021, 12:58pm
UmbrellaCorpThe Hyford's Cashe story has been overtaken in galnet news by political discussions and an onionhead cg. If they were ever going to go back to lore development that was their chance. Time to pick out a new game.


Not sure the community understood the lore they were given... FDEV is probably letting it sink in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lPutGjKgaCOWGI1JLN0x2BJrOkbSKvCGK8AL2NW4v3U/edit?usp=sharing
Quillmonkey
03 Sep 2021, 4:53pm
BluecrashNot sure the community understood the lore they were given... FDEV is probably letting it sink in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lPutGjKgaCOWGI1JLN0x2BJrOkbSKvCGK8AL2NW4v3U/edit?usp=sharing


Can I just ask, Bluecrash - what is the Order of Twelve up to? Seems like you advertise 12 elder members of your squadron, but on Inara it only contains you. All the other 'elders' are members of other squads or independent.
If it is just you, coming up with all your theories? If so, I doff my tinfoil hat. You've certainly been very busy with the google docs.

I also work in the investigation of ED narratives and my finely honed deduction techniques lead me to believe you have a negative attitude to my squadron. Just small things like Do Not Trust Canonn
MeathHunter
03 Sep 2021, 8:51pm
Burstar
Kayomin You can enter into freecam while on foot since the recent update, attach it in front of your characters face and emulate pretty well what on foot VR would look like both scale and movement speed wise, so there's nothing to call out except for your ignorance i guess.

To surmise, the odyssey experience is clearly split between two camps, those who enjoy it with no disgusting visual issues or absurd fps drops, and those who are pissed off because they *can't* enjoy odyssey even if they wanted to because for some reason bugs love em.



I wouldn't call intolerance of of an unsatisfactory work around 'ignorance' but then again, we all know what they say about assumptions...

And FTR the 'split' is between one tiny arrogantly dismissive subset of the community that supposedly has no issues and a vast majority experiencing bugs/issues/poor performance/FDev BS.

Exhibit A: [img=309x160]https://forums.frontier.co.uk/attachments/image_2021-07-23_161544-png.251922/[/img]

We can agree that they definitely need to fix it because the game is rotting away before our very eyes.



Its really sad to see people complaining about this game so much , especially as it has so much to offer in so many different way and when you think that it has been around for such a long time and that so many people have played. It is sure that people that don't have the hardware that is adequate or expecting something because they are comparing it to some other games that performs better you will have disappointment. In the end its about what you find interesting and fun about the game that really counts more than everything else. Just my opinion
Episparh
03 Sep 2021, 9:15pm
Why do you think that honest opinion is complaining and are you assuming that all this people that have performance issues with Odyssey have non adequate hardware?

Steam have recommended hardware for this game and the game barely perform on it? The game is so "well" optimized that its developers postponed console release indefinitely.

What all this tells you?
Meowers
03 Sep 2021, 9:29pm
Horizons was an eye candy, maintained stable 60+ FPS with High/Extra settings on my machine.
Odyssey is now somewhere around 60 in space, unplayable 30-40 on foot, and the picture is actually worse than it was before, even at similar visual settings, not to mention lower.
MeathHunter
03 Sep 2021, 9:40pm
EpisparhWhy do you think that honest opinion is complaining and are you assuming that all this people that have performance issues with Odyssey have non adequate hardware?

Steam have recommended hardware for this game and the game barely perform on it? The game is so "well" optimized that its developers postponed console release indefinitely.

What all this tells you?


Sure there are problems in the game , I don't refute that but all in all it is still a great game and there are lots more positives than negatives in my opinion. I have a relatively old config ,I am sure in comparison to many but I am more interested in the game than I am in how many FPS. While, I know everyone cannot possibly have a machine that is up to specs as requested for every game and even if that was the case and they did . Unfortunately today you cannot believe everything you read so you will have many that will be disappointed and let down because the hype is not the truth concerning what you find when you make the decision to move forward and buy. This game if I am not mistaken has existed since 1984 and has evolved a whole lot since those days. The developers today are more interested in making money for the most part but at least they have create something that is still very good and interesting to play with enough content to keep you playing so its not perfect and it has many flaws for many persons but it still offers enough to keep many persons playing with bad configs like mines and better configs perhaps like yours.
Episparh
03 Sep 2021, 9:51pm
EDO is asking a price tag for something that was "ready" in May. Four months later Frontier still struggle to deliver acceptable performance and bug free game. Odyssey is just an expansion - and as expansion it breaks the existing game more than it brings to it. Hopefully, devs will fix it in the next few years but definitely the beta experience do not worth the price tag.

And this is why all this discussion started, someone who had Horizons asked if Odyssey worth buying now. Poor performance, plenty of bugs, lack of meaningful gameplay and integration with the base game. On top of that half thought new UI that actually removes more features than it actually adds.

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