Elite: Lore

10 Jan 2020, 11:03am
Technical question here, almost. But I've noticed in people's descriptions and designations of their ships - in the gallery entry notes and elsewhere - a somewhat bewildering array of Prefixes.

What am I referring to? Well - a prefix like the classic "USS". As in USS Enterprise.

I've seen prefixes such as INV and RSV. INV seems clear enough - Imperial Naval Vessel. But I'm unsure of some of the others.

Also these prefixes seem to be exclusively used by players. The game doesn't seem to use them. But to some degree they make sense in terms of Lore.

Is there a list of these somewhere? How much in common use are they?
10 Jan 2020, 1:06pm
I dont think you'll find a comprehensive list of prefixes that Commanders use for their ships. I can only attest to my own squadron is that if we use a prefix, it's typically LRV for Loren's Reapers Vessel. You might see variations on that with regards to the ship's purpose as well.
10 Jan 2020, 2:09pm
Yeah, it's a personal narrative specific to each individual commander .... that's why the game ignore them and call you always with the dummy Mike India Charley something or whatever it was ...


Would be epic cool if StarCom addressed my ship with personalized id and name (e.g. Resolution - Uniform November Xray One Charley)
10 Jan 2020, 2:49pm
Isn't the callsign always the ship manufacturer + the first three letters of the commanders name? I'm fairly sure that mine is [Shiptype] Romeo Echo Bravo
10 Jan 2020, 3:35pm
You can set it to be based on your name, ship ID, or ship name. The ship manufacturer always come first I believe.
10 Jan 2020, 3:42pm
Rebecca HailIsn't the callsign always the ship manufacturer + the first three letters of the commanders name? I'm fairly sure that mine is [Shiptype] Romeo Echo Bravo


Now when you mention this ... I think you are correct ... gonna listen it next time

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10 Jan 2020, 3:49pm
Didn't like mine, so changed them all to MMS (you can guess what it stands for)
10 Jan 2020, 4:36pm
Rebecca HailIsn't the callsign always the ship manufacturer + the first three letters of the commanders name? I'm fairly sure that mine is [Shiptype] Romeo Echo Bravo


Yep, that's the case. Despite me using my usual online moniker for the registration numbers of my ships, the stations read off the first three letters of my Commander's first name.
10 Jan 2020, 5:11pm
13 Jan 2020, 10:01am
I don't find anything incorrect with using title Emperor for Arissa. It sounds like the real history moments when we had a woman bearing seemingly a male title. For example, Queen Jadwiga was in fact bearing the title of King of Poland (as Queen/Regina was not equal to King/Rex title). Hatshepsut bore a title of Pharaoh in Ancient Egypt. Cleopatra (VII Thea Philopator) also bore a title of Pharaoh, due to lack of equal feminine counterpart in tradition, despite her being the last Ptolemaic ruler of pre-Roman Egypt. It is also notheworty that Wu Zetian also bore a title of Emperor, as she was the only woman on such a position in entire history of China.

However, I think terms Queen Jadwiga, Queen Cleopatra or Empress Wu are used (and widely accepted) due to influence of Reneissance and later scholars who lived in the cultural spheres that already had Queen and King as equal titles. I also bet that the whole title thing could be additionally established during Victorian period.


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13 Jan 2020, 10:27am
Nice to meet another Civ VI player sir!
13 Jan 2020, 10:30am
The PresenceNice to meet another Civ VI player sir!

I am a hobbyist historian with a degree in Political Studies. But yes, I do play Civ 6 time to time.

Logan DarklighterTechnical question here, almost. But I've noticed in people's descriptions and designations of their ships - in the gallery entry notes and elsewhere - a somewhat bewildering array of Prefixes.

What am I referring to? Well - a prefix like the classic "USS". As in USS Enterprise.

I've seen prefixes such as INV and RSV. INV seems clear enough - Imperial Naval Vessel. But I'm unsure of some of the others.

Also these prefixes seem to be exclusively used by players. The game doesn't seem to use them. But to some degree they make sense in terms of Lore. (...)


First of all, INV, FNS and the Alliance prefix (if they have any) are actual prefixes used in game (peek into Combat Zones). For a moment I thought it is a little weird to have a small ship having its own prefix, such as Eagle or Cobra - but then I realized the "small" ships aren't really that small. (Hell, Sidewinder is as big as my house.)

As for the prefixes used by players, it's a thing used among squadrons to have unified naming scheme. For example, I fly ships using BHS prefix that stands for Bloodbount Harvest Ship, aside of one ship that is BHRV - a Research Vessel belonging to Bloodbound Harvest. However, I feel that INV or FNS used by player ships are a bit out of touch due to the fact every single player character is Pilots Federation pilot and will always be one, so every squadron e.g. affiliated with Federation or Empire are in fact something close to Privateering or Auxilliary fleets.

However, I have no info in regard how stuff is dealt with within Elite Dangerous in terms of Superpowers and I always happen to analyze everything using my IRL knowledge over Political Studies. However, it is quite possible given how every Superpower is dominated by something on their own house it is VERY likely there's a backdoor for the ideas the players has been doing on INARA and in possible roleplays:

- Federation is dominated by corporations, so Federal-affiliated squadrons are basically PMC.
- Empire is dominated by senators and patrons, so Imperial-affiliated squadrons are owned by them.
- Alliance has no singular core fleet, so every single colony owns their own private fleet.
- Independents... are independents. So like in case of Alliance just without that affiliation.

As for the Superpowers, I believe - but take it with a grain of salt - they work in a way Commonwealth works for United Kingdom: they seem to have one leader (or/and governing body) that is widely accepted as head of the state (in our case, system factions) BUT may have different ideas about their own doings.

Another good example to show how e.g. Federation works would be the USA political scene in which, let's say, Democrats from California have very different views from Democrats in New Jersey, despite belonging to the same party.


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23 Feb 2020, 12:46am
[quote=Rho Tefnutet]I don't find anything incorrect with using title Emperor for Arissa./quote]

It's usually up to the ruler whether to use "Empress" or "Emperor" isn't it?
23 Feb 2020, 2:52pm
Trium Augus[quote=Rho Tefnutet]I don't find anything incorrect with using title Emperor for Arissa./quote]

It's usually up to the ruler whether to use "Empress" or "Emperor" isn't it?


It's about the fact that it's a rare precedence if someone uses different title if the ocurrence is very rare. That's why I brought Japan, Ancient Egypt, Poland and China as examples, because the respective titles had no female counterpart (as best example is Regina in Latin was a title reserved to the wife of the King, Rex, only). While it is not incorrect to use Empress Wu, Empress Himiko, Queen Jadwiga - the official documentary titles were Emperors or Kings. Title of Emperor, in case of ED's Empire, might be analogy to any Imperial-based system raging from Ancient Rome to Imperial China having rare examples of females on the throne - as Arissa Lavigny-Duval is the first woman to bear the title of Emperor.

Queen of England, in sense of Latin usage of Regina, is one of the exceptions as King/Rex and Queen/Regina were turned into equally-worth titles back in time.
24 Feb 2020, 2:14pm
Trium AugusIt's usually up to the ruler whether to use "Empress" or "Emperor" isn't it?


And Her Majesty chose the title of "Emperor" herself. Bask, and praise be.

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