Inara updates, bug reports, requests

Commanders having Elite from Epic games store with http 400 error
When you try to link your accounts, you may receive the http error 400 about expired tokens. It's an issue on Frontier's end that I cannot solve on Inara. Fortunately, the solution is simple - please give it a few days and it will start to work later (probably when the access token on their cAPI server expires). If the error 400 appeared later and it worked before, try to reauthenticate as said in the error message (may be just a regular reauth forced by Frontier). Alternatively, you can try to use the workaround below. If even that won't work, it's the problem described above.
Please vote for the issue on the official bug tracker: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/21258

Possible workaround: Try to connect the account while you are in the game. It may work.

Game data and imports not available for console commanders and PC players with Legacy game version
Inara supports only the Live game version (so PC Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey) since game update 14, thus all the game data on the site and the commander data imports work only for those game versions.
17 Apr 2018, 10:40pm
No agree/disagree or reputation system is planned for the forums. I don't feel it is something that is needed. The forum here is quite small so everybody knows each other (or may know each other quite fast).

James HussarArtie, would you consider adding a poll/vote feature to the site? Maybe as a bit of markup that could be added to a comment where people reading could select one/several of available options? Putting one into a sticky would be great, but at the comment level would have the most utility IMO.

I have it on my list for a long time, but still no idea when it will be realized, as it doesn't seem to be an urgent matter.

Kenu TobahNot sure if that's a bug or not, but I recall there was option to pick up Pilots Federation as option for allegiance. Is it gone for some reasons or it was overseen?

Initially, it was a bug, but I kept it there for some time as it seemed that can be useful for 3.0. But, as it turned out it wasn't, so I have fixed it. By default, every commander is somehow pledged to Pilots Federation in the game setting, so I don't think it is needed to have it there, unless something will change.
17 Apr 2018, 10:48pm
Brynhild HervorsdottirAnd also, I don't on principle like internet forums that allow some sort of negative feedback. Like a thumbs down button, or a rating scale. The internet is mean-spirited enough as it is.


Why should people not be allowed to express disagreement or criticism? Such things aren't intrinsically "mean spirited", you know.
18 Apr 2018, 1:26am
ArtieNo agree/disagree or reputation system is planned for the forums. I don't feel it is something that is needed. The forum here is quite small so everybody knows each other (or may know each other quite fast).


That's great, Artie.

Was just about to mention folks using fake accounts and sock puppets too to boost their numbers. Considering how popular alternate accounts are around here for RP, that just sounds like a real potential nightmare down the line.

In this regard, Inara's status quo is just dandy.
18 Apr 2018, 2:12am
M. Lehman
Brynhild HervorsdottirAnd also, I don't on principle like internet forums that allow some sort of negative feedback. Like a thumbs down button, or a rating scale. The internet is mean-spirited enough as it is.



Why should people not be allowed to express disagreement or criticism? Such things aren't intrinsically "mean spirited", you know.


Because people on the internet have a very difficult time knowing the difference between constructive criticism and being downright insulting.
18 Apr 2018, 2:36am
So just nuke it all to be safe, eh?
18 Apr 2018, 2:44am
Brynhild Hervorsdottir
M. Lehman
Brynhild HervorsdottirAnd also, I don't on principle like internet forums that allow some sort of negative feedback. Like a thumbs down button, or a rating scale. The internet is mean-spirited enough as it is.




Why should people not be allowed to express disagreement or criticism? Such things aren't intrinsically "mean spirited", you know.



Because people on the internet have a very difficult time knowing the difference between constructive criticism and being downright insulting.

Oh no, they know, they just don't care. Anonymity removes the consequences for being a dick. If someone knows they'll be punched in the face and have their tires slashed they tend to mind their manners better.
18 Apr 2018, 3:05am
Phelbore

Oh no, they know, they just don't care. Anonymity removes the consequences for being a dick. If someone knows they'll be punched in the face and have their tires slashed they tend to mind their manners better.


It's a two way street. Disagreement can be phrased in a civil manner, and part of being an adult is knowing how to handle someone saying "I disagree" without melting down.
18 Apr 2018, 3:21am
PhelboreOh no, they know, they just don't care. Anonymity removes the consequences for being a dick. If someone knows they'll be punched in the face and have their tires slashed they tend to mind their manners better.


LOL. Also known as John Gabriel's Greater Internet F*ckwad Theory.
18 Apr 2018, 3:24am
M. Lehman
Phelbore

Oh no, they know, they just don't care. Anonymity removes the consequences for being a dick. If someone knows they'll be punched in the face and have their tires slashed they tend to mind their manners better.



It's a two way street. Disagreement can be phrased in a civil manner, and part of being an adult is knowing how to handle someone saying "I disagree" without melting down.


True, but the skill is getting rarer and rarer in an age when someone can get famous for sucker punching a random guy on the street and putting it on youtube.
18 Apr 2018, 4:03am
Phelbore


True, but the skill is getting rarer and rarer in an age when someone can get famous for sucker punching a random guy on the street and putting it on youtube.


Honestly, I think that it's a combination of the anonymity offered by social media (as mentioned earlier) and the echo chamber offered by the same. Applications like Facebook and partisan media sites allow you to craft an online environment where you are only ever exposed to views with which you already agree.

It's bad for fostering critical thought, and it's bad for society.


Last edit: 18 Apr 2018, 4:24am
18 Apr 2018, 2:48pm
M. Lehman
Phelbore


True, but the skill is getting rarer and rarer in an age when someone can get famous for sucker punching a random guy on the street and putting it on youtube.



Honestly, I think that it's a combination of the anonymity offered by social media (as mentioned earlier) and the echo chamber offered by the same. Applications like Facebook and partisan media sites allow you to craft an online environment where you are only ever exposed to views with which you already agree.

It's bad for fostering critical thought, and it's bad for society.


+1
18 Apr 2018, 2:59pm
Stryker Aune
M. Lehman
Phelbore


True, but the skill is getting rarer and rarer in an age when someone can get famous for sucker punching a random guy on the street and putting it on youtube.




Honestly, I think that it's a combination of the anonymity offered by social media (as mentioned earlier) and the echo chamber offered by the same. Applications like Facebook and partisan media sites allow you to craft an online environment where you are only ever exposed to views with which you already agree.

It's bad for fostering critical thought, and it's bad for society.



+1


+2
When people can simply disagree with something without explaining why, it just leads to complacency and a false sense of intelligence. Especially when you mix in the ability to only hear your own side of the argument. Similarly, when someone posts something and has it 'downvoted' with no explanation, it just leaves one feeling vilified.

Anonymity is great when used right. One such occasion was the old TV show "The Masked Magician" where one man took it upin himself to break magic shows out of their rut by explaining to the public how tricks were done. Forcing the magicians to create new illusions and methods in order to keep it alive.
Unfortunately, anonymity also leads to a consequence free environment where those with no regard for others can spread toxicity and vitriol while cackling in the safety of their mothers basement.
18 Apr 2018, 3:17pm
Luke3107Bunch of BS


You're wrong, I don't have to explain myself and you're stupid.
18 Apr 2018, 3:33pm
Phelbore
Luke3107Bunch of BS
Load of tripe

*Ignored*
Now I can't hear opposing opinions therefore I'm always right.
18 Apr 2018, 5:29pm
Luke3107
Phelbore
Luke3107Bunch of BS

Load of tripe


*Ignored*
Now I can't hear opposing opinions therefore I'm always right.


This might be a bug on the new update. Have you submitted the details to technical support?

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