Rpok

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Artie


Hello, to be honest, I am not sure. Your ships values exactly fit what is provided by the journal/cAPI profile, the credits and overall assets values also match what is provided by the journal, so I can say for sure that Inara has it correct. No idea where the 600m discrepancy from the game stats came from. A couple of months ago I thought it counts the personal equipment in and that especially high tier/highly modded equipment may be absurdly valuable/expensive, but my personal stats have no personal equipment counted towards the overall assets at all (and credits + ships value + stored modules value sum perfectly fits). I think it can also count the value of the cargo loaded into the ship, but it seems your ship is empty so it's not this case.

You can try to contact Frontier's support about that, maybe it's some bug or they can at least shed some light into it. I am curious what they will respond, too. (Maybe it's even related to the problem Rpok mentioned before, where seems to be an odd discrepancy present as well.)

Interesting, thanks for the quick response and looking into this Artie. I might just go and raise a ticket to see if they can explain it. Unfortunately I haven't monitored the figures until more recently, and it seems the gap seems to have increased continuously over the months (I reset my account mid last year which you can see in my history I'm sure so started with 0). I did play in Horizons for a while over Christmas on a different machine... wonder if that might have something to do with it. Anyways if I raise a ticket and get a reply I'll report back.

If I take a look in Codex / Command. / Statistics the by FD reported figures are definitively wrong. Actually I have a state of Elite III in Trading and the total earned credits by trading in the Codex-Stats are about 785 Millions. In real case this figure must show something about 5 to 6 Billion credits.

Don't know what they are calculating in this stats ...

Best regards

RPOK

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Interesting, thanks for the quick response and looking into this Artie. I might just go and raise a ticket to see if they can explain it. Unfortunately I haven't monitored the figures until more recently, and it seems the gap seems to have increased continuously over the months (I reset my account mid last year which you can see in my history I'm sure so started with 0). I did play in Horizons for a while over Christmas on a different machine... wonder if that might have something to do with it. Anyways if I raise a ticket and get a reply I'll report back.

If I take a look in Codex / Command. / Statistics the by FD reported figures are definitively wrong. Actually I have a state of Elite III in Trading and the total earned credits by trading in the Codex-Stats are about 785 Millions. In real case this figure must show something about 5 to 6 Billion credits.

Don't know what they are calculating in this stats ...

Best regards

RPOK

I'm currently looking at my codex page. I can already tell it won't add up. I wonder if the game doesn't track selling modules and personal weapons correctly.

PS I raised a support ticket now to explain this to me, let's see what they say.

Rpok

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Rpok



If I take a look in Codex / Command. / Statistics the by FD reported figures are definitively wrong. Actually I have a state of Elite III in Trading and the total earned credits by trading in the Codex-Stats are about 785 Millions. In real case this figure must show something about 5 to 6 Billion credits.

Don't know what they are calculating in this stats ...

Best regards

RPOK

I'm currently looking at my codex page. I can already tell it won't add up. I wonder if the game doesn't track selling modules and personal weapons correctly.

PS I raised a support ticket now to explain this to me, let's see what they say.

I think the cash status (credits) is valid. If you sell or buy something, it is calculated valid. But the assets are not reported /balanced correctly. Esp. when you own a carrier with an own financial stock and weekly maintenance rates. But it's a game, not a software for financial accounting ...

Greets

RPOK

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Rpok

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I'm currently looking at my codex page. I can already tell it won't add up. I wonder if the game doesn't track selling modules and personal weapons correctly.

PS I raised a support ticket now to explain this to me, let's see what they say.

I think the cash status (credits) is valid. If you sell or buy something, it is calculated valid. But the assets are not reported /balanced correctly. Esp. when you own a carrier with an own financial stock and weekly maintenance rates. But it's a game, not a software for financial accounting ...

Greets

RPOK

Well if the game can't get simple things like this right... /shrug

For me it's somewhat important to keep track because I'm currently saving up for a fleet carrier. It's not the end of the world but given it's information that's provided, it may as well work correctly. Although after searching through the horrible Frontier issue tracker, I've come across a fair few (expired, of course) tickets that mentioned people not getting credits added to their account after performing specific actions. Hope it's not something like that.

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Artie

Broken MessHi Artie,

I've been pondering for a while now why I can't work out my total assets balance - this is now 3.2bn, and my credit balance is 1.6bn. IIRC these match with ingame stats. However, the ship value per Inara is roughly 1bn, so there's a discrepancy of about 600m. Even if I take my handful of suits and weapons into account (5 suits and 10 weapons, mostly G3), I can't quite explain that big of a difference, unless it's how Inara calculates the ship incl. modules values...

Any thoughts on what could be the difference by any chance?

Many thanks - it's kinda driving me mad at this point lol!

Hello, to be honest, I am not sure. Your ships values exactly fit what is provided by the journal/cAPI profile, the credits and overall assets values also match what is provided by the journal, so I can say for sure that Inara has it correct. No idea where the 600m discrepancy from the game stats came from. A couple of months ago I thought it counts the personal equipment in and that especially high tier/highly modded equipment may be absurdly valuable/expensive, but my personal stats have no personal equipment counted towards the overall assets at all (and credits + ships value + stored modules value sum perfectly fits). I think it can also count the value of the cargo loaded into the ship, but it seems your ship is empty so it's not this case.

You can try to contact Frontier's support about that, maybe it's some bug or they can at least shed some light into it. I am curious what they will respond, too. (Maybe it's even related to the problem Rpok mentioned before, where seems to be an odd discrepancy present as well.)

Interesting, thanks for the quick response and looking into this Artie. I might just go and raise a ticket to see if they can explain it. Unfortunately I haven't monitored the figures until more recently, and it seems the gap seems to have increased continuously over the months (I reset my account mid last year which you can see in my history I'm sure so started with 0). I did play in Horizons for a while over Christmas on a different machine... wonder if that might have something to do with it. Anyways if I raise a ticket and get a reply I'll report back.

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Artie


Hello, to be honest, I am not sure. Your ships values exactly fit what is provided by the journal/cAPI profile, the credits and overall assets values also match what is provided by the journal, so I can say for sure that Inara has it correct. No idea where the 600m discrepancy from the game stats came from. A couple of months ago I thought it counts the personal equipment in and that especially high tier/highly modded equipment may be absurdly valuable/expensive, but my personal stats have no personal equipment counted towards the overall assets at all (and credits + ships value + stored modules value sum perfectly fits). I think it can also count the value of the cargo loaded into the ship, but it seems your ship is empty so it's not this case.

You can try to contact Frontier's support about that, maybe it's some bug or they can at least shed some light into it. I am curious what they will respond, too. (Maybe it's even related to the problem Rpok mentioned before, where seems to be an odd discrepancy present as well.)

Interesting, thanks for the quick response and looking into this Artie. I might just go and raise a ticket to see if they can explain it. Unfortunately I haven't monitored the figures until more recently, and it seems the gap seems to have increased continuously over the months (I reset my account mid last year which you can see in my history I'm sure so started with 0). I did play in Horizons for a while over Christmas on a different machine... wonder if that might have something to do with it. Anyways if I raise a ticket and get a reply I'll report back.

Thought I'd provide an update on this. Raised a ticket and eventually got a relatively brief response stating what my total assets are - 2.7bn, as opposed to the 3.2bn the game tells me. They asked me if I think that's right and whether it's different to what I'm expecting (I already stated what the game provides vs what I think my total assets should be, and provided a journal file, so bit of a weird question but ok).

I can see where this is going - most likely a(nother) bug. Would be interesting to see how widespread this is though i.e. if others noticed discrepancies.

Rpok

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Interesting, thanks for the quick response and looking into this Artie. I might just go and raise a ticket to see if they can explain it. Unfortunately I haven't monitored the figures until more recently, and it seems the gap seems to have increased continuously over the months (I reset my account mid last year which you can see in my history I'm sure so started with 0). I did play in Horizons for a while over Christmas on a different machine... wonder if that might have something to do with it. Anyways if I raise a ticket and get a reply I'll report back.

Thought I'd provide an update on this. Raised a ticket and eventually got a relatively brief response stating what my total assets are - 2.7bn, as opposed to the 3.2bn the game tells me. They asked me if I think that's right and whether it's different to what I'm expecting (I already stated what the game provides vs what I think my total assets should be, and provided a journal file, so bit of a weird question but ok).

I can see where this is going - most likely a(nother) bug. Would be interesting to see how widespread this is though i.e. if others noticed discrepancies.

The question, they asked you, if you think it's right, ist very exciting

Normally, there is no space for discussing the asset value (if the code is valid) ...

I think, I will create a ticket, too. Maybe, this helps to set a focus on this. I think the carrier is a black hole for money, but it seems, there are lot of black holes more in the FD statistics

I will update this here, too.

Kind regards

RPOK

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Thought I'd provide an update on this. Raised a ticket and eventually got a relatively brief response stating what my total assets are - 2.7bn, as opposed to the 3.2bn the game tells me. They asked me if I think that's right and whether it's different to what I'm expecting (I already stated what the game provides vs what I think my total assets should be, and provided a journal file, so bit of a weird question but ok).

I can see where this is going - most likely a(nother) bug. Would be interesting to see how widespread this is though i.e. if others noticed discrepancies.

Rpok
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Maybe Artie can take a look on this ...

There are a few positions, in the statistics of INARA missing. But the calculation of FD seems to be a "black box" ... No idea, how they calculate the asset figure for "stored modules". There is no correlation with anything, also the figure for "ships" seems to be wrong.

Maybe Artie can create a table, where the users can add credits for positions, which are not accessable for Artie's statistics?

Best regards

RPOK

Artie

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Thought I'd provide an update on this. Raised a ticket and eventually got a relatively brief response stating what my total assets are - 2.7bn, as opposed to the 3.2bn the game tells me. They asked me if I think that's right and whether it's different to what I'm expecting (I already stated what the game provides vs what I think my total assets should be, and provided a journal file, so bit of a weird question but ok).

I can see where this is going - most likely a(nother) bug. Would be interesting to see how widespread this is though i.e. if others noticed discrepancies.

Thanks for the update! It really seems something may be broken on their end if even their backend shows a different value than the game is providing. Let's see if it will get fixed with the upcoming Codex fixes then.

Rpok
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Maybe Artie can take a look on this ...

There are a few positions, in the statistics of INARA missing. But the calculation of FD seems to be a "black box" ... No idea, how they calculate the asset figure for "stored modules". There is no correlation with anything, also the figure for "ships" seems to be wrong.

Maybe Artie can create a table, where the users can add credits for positions, which are not accessable for Artie's statistics?

Best regards

RPOK

It worth to be noted that some of the stats provided by the game are cumulative. For example everything in the "Balance" category (except "Current assets" property) like credits spent on ships or modules - those doesn't list the actual values of the assets owned, but lifetime credits spent on these, doesn't matter if the ships or modules are still owned. So these cannot be used for the calculation of the actual assets value.

As far as I know, currently the "current/overall assets" calculation is consisting from following: actual credits value in wallet + owned ships value + stored modules value + fleet carrier value + cargo on ships.

I am not sure if the personal equipment counts in - it definitely does not in my case, but it looks like it may get counted in for other cases (like if you just bought the equipment, it's not counted in but once you start upgrading it, it may), but that just a wild speculation without any proof, as I didn't take a look on it much. What I however know for sure that credits stored on FC aren't counted in (although they should) and also the FC's optional modules may or may not be counted in full (not sure if it's just the base price or it includes also the modules/ships being sold there).

Broken MessHmm.

Got another reply from support:

"Inara is not a live feed, and sometimes can misrepresent data. While we cannot account for exactly why there is a discrepancy here, we can confirm that your true net worth is what we confirmed earlier."

I only referred to Inara as in it confirms the number what they actually quoted to me is the actual asset figure (credits + ships/modules = total assets). /facepalm I sent them a screenshot and tried to explain it, again.

Or maybe it's simply your fault, Artie

WorldoxQuestion about Trade route searches: Where's the filter for DEMAND. The first page of fantastically profitable routes have the slight disadvantage of destinations with ZERO demand. "Huge margins" times "zero demand" equals actual profits below an amount that makes the trips worthwhile.

Broken MessHmm.

Got another reply from support:

"Inara is not a live feed, and sometimes can misrepresent data. While we cannot account for exactly why there is a discrepancy here, we can confirm that your true net worth is what we confirmed earlier."

I only referred to Inara as in it confirms the number what they actually quoted to me is the actual asset figure (credits + ships/modules = total assets). /facepalm I sent them a screenshot and tried to explain it, again.

Or maybe it's simply your fault, Artie