Inara updates, bug reports, requests
When you try to link your accounts, you may receive the http error 400 about expired tokens. It's an issue on Frontier's end that I cannot solve on Inara. Fortunately, the solution is simple - please give it a few days and it will start to work later (probably when the access token on their cAPI server expires). If the error 400 appeared later and it worked before, try to reauthenticate as said in the error message (may be just a regular reauth forced by Frontier). Alternatively, you can try to use the workaround below. If even that won't work, it's the problem described above.
Please vote for the issue on the official bug tracker: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/21258
Possible workaround: Try to connect the account while you are in the game. It may work.
Game data and imports not available for console commanders and PC players with Legacy game version
Inara supports only the Live game version (so PC Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey) since game update 14, thus all the game data on the site and the commander data imports work only for those game versions.
03 Aug 2022, 1:01am
Artieyay or nay?
Your new sub-menu organization is more attractive and neater than this solution. Shame it's hidden all the time
I couldn't help but notice a trend of comments about fragmentation of content and tasks. Navigation is partially responsible for that general "feel". But breaking down content in multiple pages/tabs is a big contributor. Did you consider UX task flow analysis? Aka how do the users commonly use the website and navigate through pages, what are they trying to access and how should the information be displayed to best fit their needs?
Example you know very well: User wants to look up a system from their squadron to check expansion targets. How many steps does it take to get to that information? What does the user want to see?
- 1 hover + 5 clicks (New design), 4 Clicks (Old design)
- System Info, Distance, #Factions, INF, Retreat markers. Same useful info in both.
For this task, the old UX is superior.
UX is a lot about what the users are trying to do and attempting to streamline those processes. Sorry to give you yet another thing to worry about
Last edit: 03 Aug 2022, 1:32am
03 Aug 2022, 2:56am
Traffic report not working: https://inara.cz/elite/reports-traffic/
Last edit: 03 Aug 2022, 3:04am
03 Aug 2022, 5:41am
Not related to the new site (which is great btw).
Is there any way to see my Thargoid kills for the HIP 22460 war since the Salvation AX CGs started ?
The war report only shows the last 7 days.
Thanks in advance and keep up the great work.
Without your site I would be lost in space
Last edit: 03 Aug 2022, 6:24am
03 Aug 2022, 7:14am
03 Aug 2022, 7:37am
I will say that I am new to this site and unlike older users am not used to the old site layout
so i get why members might have differing thoughts
I just think you did a nice job on it
03 Aug 2022, 9:19am
ZemedelphosWould using EDMC in conjunction with EDDI cause issues in regards to data sent to Inara?
I suggest to use Inara API in just one of the tools, same for the EDDN settings there as there is no point to send things twice (and also for the Inara API, you may reach the rate limit). Otherwise, no problem.
Kurakil
I can't do a side-by-side A/B comparison to illustrate, but since I cannot see as much of the menu/sub-menu navigation by default without hovering over something, it feels like things are more difficult to find. Maybe in a month I won't think anything of it and will just require me getting accustomed to it. Personally, I can find everything with either version so it isn't a major problem, it just somehow feels... off. However, overall I like the Inara changes.
Ah, so it's rather about the feeling, thanks for the clarification, it's a good input.
J-barronReally enjoy the new layout! One smol request tho, can the dates for the Galnet articles please be put back at the top? I copy/paste from here to the discord server I'm in, and having the dates first keeps things organized. Thank you!
Thanks! Probably not as I would like to keep it in line with how logbooks are displayed (and do not want to put date, author, etc. between the header and text in the short views).
EmpyriusOdd request here...
Any way to add a charting feature for commanders to plot their inara ranking over time or any of the other ranking lists over time? Would be great way to encourage others!
Hmmm... not for the positions as it's relatively hungry and most importantly it's not "stable" (new commanders may join in, importing the data and push you down although you did nothing wrong), so it won't exactly serve the purpose. Maybe just the score values over time, but that won't work too much as a motivation, I suspect?
Lord ThunderwindThe program EDD lite no longer works for Inara. Click on my current location in the app gives me this site that no longer works under the new Inara: https://inara.cz/galaxy-station/?search=Synuefe+NL-N+c23-4%5bT2F-7KX%5d
Traffic report not working: https://inara.cz/elite/reports-traffic/
Ah, yes, there may be some transition problems as are two site versions running at once. I will take a look on forwarding to new paths improvements by the version set, thanks for the report!
I am not sure what exactly isn't working on the traffic report? Are there no star systems displayed for you at all or something else?
03 Aug 2022, 9:23am
First, I can see why you have overhauled it and it works great on phone. It will take a while to find where things are on desktop but I'll stick with it.
Found a couple of small issues that you may already be aware of.
1) Engineer access doesn't seem to be updating.
2) Icons are a little large for desktop monitors.
3) Cannot save text in 'Edit Ship' within the cmdr hanger area.
With the new reorganisation, I would really like to see some added functionality.
1) Updated progress for engineer unlocks. The API already shows completed missions, mats gathered etc. It would not be too hard to put eg. Engineer X requires 10 items of Y. You currently have 8 items.
2) Material Component Trading - While it is possible to search for individual mats on sale in FCs, it would be really useful to also list all Mats on a particular FC, from within the 'market' tab of the FC page. It would be doubly useful to see the mats on sale/demand for your own FC here.
3) On the search for data->minor factions, it would be really useful (for kill missions without a particular target) to include a column with the number of stations/settlements etc that faction controls. The info is there but needs another couple of clicks for each nearby faction.
03 Aug 2022, 9:25am
ChromaLemonI really hope we can have the option to use the old version of Inara. I don't really have trouble navigating it since it's been what I've been used to using for 5 years. The new Inara just seems like it was designed for mobile devices and somehow blown up onto a desktop screen. All of the buttons are unnecessarily huge and there's just a lot of wasted space.
This is exactly what I felt too. I don't like to be overly critical, but at least for the desktop website this kinda feels like a downgrade.
For anyone looking for the "shit, go back" button, you just need to clear cookies from the site and log back in.
03 Aug 2022, 9:32am
GL9K8774One thing that would make the new interface easier is if when I pull up a list such as when I am doing a nearest search or looking at a systems expansion targets, I would not have to expand each item on the list to see the necessary details. Makes a lot more tapping to get needed info.
Edit: maybe the most important data could be included on the result but the expand could be kept for any additional data that is less relevant to the list. In the example of expansion targets: being able to see at a glance what systems in the list have how many factions and if they are full might be something to include on the result. While the distance and other info may be fine hidden until the user expands that option. If any other users got better ideas on this or noticed I missed something please let me know!
Thanks for the feedback! I will definitely look on the table collapsing improvements today, so it should get better (also for the various other tables on lower screen resolution devices). I moved the services list to the dropdown also because it was quite large even on desktops, making the form even bigger. But I may reconsider it.
Cluster Fox
I couldn't help but notice a trend of comments about fragmentation of content and tasks. Navigation is partially responsible for that general "feel". But breaking down content in multiple pages/tabs is a big contributor. Did you consider UX task flow analysis? Aka how do the users commonly use the website and navigate through pages, what are they trying to access and how should the information be displayed to best fit their needs?
Example you know very well: User wants to look up a system from their squadron to check expansion targets. How many steps does it take to get to that information? What does the user want to see?
- 1 hover + 5 clicks (New design), 4 Clicks (Old design)
- System Info, Distance, #Factions, INF, Retreat markers. Same useful info in both.
For this task, the old UX is superior.
UX is a lot about what the users are trying to do and attempting to streamline those processes. Sorry to give you yet another thing to worry about
Some flows may have slightly changed, but generally shouldn't be on more clicks than before (the squadron faction expansion targets are max. 3 clicks away from anywhere for example). I however can't rule out there may be problems that slipped my attention, but that's why the feedbacks are here.
BL1PHello Artie,
Not related to the new site (which is great btw).
Is there any way to see my Thargoid kills for the HIP 22460 war since the Salvation AX CGs started ?
The war report only shows the last 7 days.
Thanks in advance and keep up the great work.
Without your site I would be lost in space
Yes, I think that I can add something there. I just need to check if I am not pruning the old data as I am not sure about it now, but I can at least add a larger period than 7 days there.
ChromaLemonI really hope we can have the option to use the old version of Inara. I don't really have trouble navigating it since it's been what I've been used to using for 5 years. The new Inara just seems like it was designed for mobile devices and somehow blown up onto a desktop screen. All of the buttons are unnecessarily huge and there's just a lot of wasted space.
Just for the curiosity, which physical display size and screen resolution, please? The old version of Inara will certainly stay here for some time, but no promises on when it will be discontinued.
MiseriArtie this new site lay out is the bees knees, sleek and easy to read UI, so far Im loving it
I will say that I am new to this site and unlike older users am not used to the old site layout
so i get why members might have differing thoughts
I just think you did a nice job on it
Thank you!
03 Aug 2022, 9:38am
Sparrow_NCChromaLemonI really hope we can have the option to use the old version of Inara. I don't really have trouble navigating it since it's been what I've been used to using for 5 years. The new Inara just seems like it was designed for mobile devices and somehow blown up onto a desktop screen. All of the buttons are unnecessarily huge and there's just a lot of wasted space.
This is exactly what I felt too. I don't like to be overly critical, but at least for the desktop website this kinda feels like a downgrade.
For anyone looking for the "shit, go back" button, you just need to clear cookies from the site and log back in.
The switch is under the "My profile", so no cookies clearing is needed.
QuillmonkeyArtie, is this the right place to bring up a couple of points about Inara mk 2?
First, I can see why you have overhauled it and it works great on phone. It will take a while to find where things are on desktop but I'll stick with it.
Found a couple of small issues that you may already be aware of.
1) Engineer access doesn't seem to be updating.
2) Icons are a little large for desktop monitors.
3) Cannot save text in 'Edit Ship' within the cmdr hanger area.
With the new reorganisation, I would really like to see some added functionality.
1) Updated progress for engineer unlocks. The API already shows completed missions, mats gathered etc. It would not be too hard to put eg. Engineer X requires 10 items of Y. You currently have 8 items.
2) Material Component Trading - While it is possible to search for individual mats on sale in FCs, it would be really useful to also list all Mats on a particular FC, from within the 'market' tab of the FC page. It would be doubly useful to see the mats on sale/demand for your own FC here.
3) On the search for data->minor factions, it would be really useful (for kill missions without a particular target) to include a column with the number of stations/settlements etc that faction controls. The info is there but needs another couple of clicks for each nearby faction.
- About the engineers progress - yes, it's currently tracking just the stages completed as the precise tracking requires some extra work (storing the donation progresses, etc.) I didn't want to spend time with yet. I suppose you meant that with the "doesn't seem to be updating"?
- About icons - some particular icons or everything in general? Which physical display size and screen resolution, please?
- I will take a look and fix that edit ship text problem.
- List of all mats on FC is something I would certainly like to do.
- I guess that I can show the number of stations there, added onto the todo list.
Thank you for the feedback!
03 Aug 2022, 9:43am
I have recently moved form a 1400p screen to a laptop 1080p screen is that the reason? anyway i can manually add it?
EDIT: Scaling to 90% while on firefox does the job in windows and shows the Population tab again.
03 Aug 2022, 9:52am
Artie - About the engineers progress - yes, it's currently tracking just the stages completed as the precise tracking requires some extra work (storing the donation progresses, etc.) I didn't want to spend time with yet. I suppose you meant that with the "doesn't seem to be updating"?
The not updating is different. I unlocked an engineer yesterday and it has registered in game, but not in Inara.
Artie - About icons - some particular icons or everything in general? Which physical display size and screen resolution, please?
I'm using 27" at 2560x1440. Specific icons are the Inara badges on cmdr page and the input blocks on the data searches.
Artie - I will take a look and fix that edit ship text problem.
- List of all mats on FC is something I would certainly like to do.
- I guess that I can show the number of stations there, added onto the todo list.
Thank you for the feedback!
np. Great work, ED is a great game but it would be pointless without Inara.
03 Aug 2022, 10:14am
QuillmonkeyI unlocked an engineer yesterday and it has registered in game, but not in Inara.
In the old version, I notice some things update when I would expect and other things take an extra day to register for whatever reason, like rank/badge progress numbers. It would award the rank/badge right after you earn it with a manual update, but the progress numbers don't update until the next day. I'm not sure if that is still the case here as I haven't really been doing anything related to those lately.
03 Aug 2022, 10:26am
Sibling-Menus should be reachable from each sibling page.
Example: Squadrons.
The Squadrons Dropdown has these siblings:
* Squadron
* Operations
* Squadron Management
If i click on the Main-Menu, it redirects to the Squadron-Page.
There i have:
* Two Buttons to "View Roster"
* View other Squadrons
* View Details
But no way to access Operations or Management. I also cant access Documents or Discussions from the "Squadron" category. I do have to use the Dropdown Menu, which becomes kinda confusing since the Options are named differently from the buttons on the pages.
In Operations, i again have no way to acces the other pages. I can get back to the main page with a click on the logo, but i cant access "Missions" or "Squadron Ranking".
Same goes for Management. In the Main Tab i have no access to "Actions History", "Join Requests", "Roster Management", "Coalitions" or "Settings"
From Join Request i have a "View Squadron" Button, which does the same as a click on the Logo. Same goes for Coalitions.
In Squadron Roster Management i have a Button to "View Roster", but as i said, from there i have no button to get back to management.
I suggest a Bar on top similar to the one on the Roster-Page, where you can access all the sibling menus
For Operations it would have:
[Operations] | [Members Activity] | [Missions] | [Squadron Rankings]
The Menu on the Right could be used to navigate within a category, so from Squadron-Overview to Squadron-About, Squadron-Roster and all that.
Or the other way around, use a bar on top for in-category, and the menu on the right for siblings
The option to access siblings should be available on each page which has them, not just in the Squadrons example.
Last edit: 03 Aug 2022, 10:38am
03 Aug 2022, 11:51am
- The site is wider now.
- The collapsed table columns are now visible by default on many tables. I hope it should help with a "lack" of information in lower resolutions, but please keep feedback in on that (maybe some other tables should be collapsed or extended by default, some columns should be prioritized/reordered, rendering speed concerns or so).
- Various minor fixes, improvements and changes here and there.
Quillmonkey
The not updating is different. I unlocked an engineer yesterday and it has registered in game, but not in Inara.
Thanks for the details. The engineer not being updated is possible a case Kurakil mentioned, it may happen sometimes (I think there was some rare problem with the journal for promotions or something like that, I do not recall it now). But please let me know if the engineer will still remain wrong after future updates.
Veto MocksRequest for the new UI:
Sibling-Menus should be reachable from each sibling page.
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Thank you very much for the detailed feedback and mockup image! Yeah, the squadron page needs some improvements and I would also address the commander page in some areas.
Link to Inara Discord: https://discord.gg/qfkFWTr