Inara updates, bug reports, requests
When you try to link your accounts, you may receive the http error 400 about expired tokens. It's an issue on Frontier's end that I cannot solve on Inara. Fortunately, the solution is simple - please give it a few days and it will start to work later (probably when the access token on their cAPI server expires). If the error 400 appeared later and it worked before, try to reauthenticate as said in the error message (may be just a regular reauth forced by Frontier). Alternatively, you can try to use the workaround below. If even that won't work, it's the problem described above.
Please vote for the issue on the official bug tracker: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/21258
Possible workaround: Try to connect the account while you are in the game. It may work.
Game data and imports not available for console commanders and PC players with Legacy game version
Inara supports only the Live game version (so PC Horizons 4.0 and Odyssey) since game update 14, thus all the game data on the site and the commander data imports work only for those game versions.
28 Mar 2023, 6:39pm
Artie
In general, I do not want to put the requirements anywhere near the previous levels, because as mentioned earlier, when more than 90% of the commanders were unable to get anywhere near a tier 3 medal requirements, you know there is something wrong. I was however thinking about adding some "medal of medals", let's say named The Decorated Hero that will level up only by reaching T5 medals. So, for tier 1 you need to have 10 tier 5 medals (including post-T5 "tiers") and it will be increasingly difficult, so tier 5 of such medal will require something like 75 T5/post-T5, which is something nobody at the moment have. Yay or nay?
I am mostly fine with the tier adjustments, but not with Exobiologist medal thresholds. Before the thresholds were lowered, I was on tier 3, and now I'm on tier 5 2x. I would not want to be at tier 5 yet with these stats, but rather on tier 3 or 4:
Organic data registered: 1059
Planets with organic life: 398
Unique species encountered: 77
I would like to suggest these thresholds for tier 5:
Organic data registered: 2000
Planets with organic life: 800
Unique species encountered: 100
I think I will probably reach those numbers if I continue playing quite regularly for at least a year or two more.
Regarding post-T5 medals, I would find it better to just add more tiers, say up to tier 10.
28 Mar 2023, 6:41pm
Sampi Ogonek
Actually it is quite important — FSS scans can be easily clocked at a rate of 100+ per hour as they only require one to jump between systems and use the FSS, so 7,500 for tier 5 is ridiculously low. (DSS scans, OTOH, require one to actually fly between bodies.)
What I meant is that that it doesn't matter, because I have set it with the FSS in mind. But it's right it probably needs an extra adjustment and should be a bit higher. I will re-crunch the numbers, thanks for the feedback.
Mika L
I am mostly fine with the tier adjustments, but not with Exobiologist medal thresholds. Before the thresholds were lowered, I was on tier 3, and now I'm on tier 5 2x. I would not want to be at tier 5 yet with these stats, but rather on tier 3 or 4:
Organic data registered: 1059
Planets with organic life: 398
Unique species encountered: 77
Just to have some measure - how much time your numbers roughly took?
28 Mar 2023, 6:50pm
This is more of a question than anything. I see that commander ranking scores can now go above 350,000 and that medals have multlipiers of some sort. Is there a place I could read about that change to understand it better? If not, could you briefly explain it here?
Thank you! o7
28 Mar 2023, 7:05pm
Artie
Mika L
I am mostly fine with the tier adjustments, but not with Exobiologist medal thresholds. Before the thresholds were lowered, I was on tier 3, and now I'm on tier 5 2x. I would not want to be at tier 5 yet with these stats, but rather on tier 3 or 4:
Organic data registered: 1059
Planets with organic life: 398
Unique species encountered: 77
Just to have some measure - how much time your numbers roughly took?
My exploration stat says: Approximate time played 3 months 27 days 16 hours 11 minutes.
My Steam hour counter is at 2814 hours, but I started playing this game a year before Odyssey was launched, in May 2020, and I played quite intensively for the first year, but then Odyssey's problems at start made me reduce gaming time.
28 Mar 2023, 7:09pm
501 General VenatorPlease revert the medal tiers back to the old numbers. With this recent update pretty much everything is at tier 5, without having to do anything for it.I am in complete agreement.
Im Tier 5 with the exploration medals now despite i have not explored much in my entire elite career.
The medals no longer represent someones prefered playstyle.
Especially the xeno hunter medal nerf annoys me the most. The numbers to get high tiers are so tiny now. Its not fun to hunt higher tiers
28 Mar 2023, 7:20pm
Mika LRegarding post-T5 medals, I would find it better to just add more tiers, say up to tier 10.I very much agree that this would be a far better solution than nerfing the ranks.
It would allow for far greater differentiation, far smother progression, would make all tiers more exciting, lower tiers would be more rewarding quicker and would respect the commitment of really higher tiers CMDRs.
28 Mar 2023, 7:29pm
I'm planning to restart this CMDR from scratch, new name, etc. Anything I need to be aware of for it to all work well with Inara? Also, what happens to the history of this CMDR in Inara? I'll keep the old logs and can see it in EDD, but wondering if it will be here also.
Thanks!
28 Mar 2023, 9:07pm
- The number of scans required for The explorer was increased.
- There was The Decorated Hero medal added, if you want to grind for it.
I will respond to the posts here shortly.
28 Mar 2023, 9:19pm
ArtieAlright, two extra changes:
- The number of scans required for The explorer was increased.
- There was The Decorated Hero medal added, if you want to grind for it.
I will respond to the posts here shortly.
How does it work to get Tier 5?
Tier 5:
> Progress:
> Tier 5 medals gained: 3/100
How do I get 100 medals?
28 Mar 2023, 9:29pm
Dall VarnerHi Artie,
I'm planning to restart this CMDR from scratch, new name, etc. Anything I need to be aware of for it to all work well with Inara? Also, what happens to the history of this CMDR in Inara? I'll keep the old logs and can see it in EDD, but wondering if it will be here also.
Thanks!
Hello, it depends - if you want to keep your CMDR history here on Inara, you do not need to do anything (just don't forget to open the shipyard in the game, so it will properly prune your fleet or remove the ships manually). If you do not want to keep your history, you can wipe your commander data in the Commander > Commander settings. Other than that, no action needed.
FelaKuti
How does it work to get Tier 5?
Tier 5:
> Progress:
> Tier 5 medals gained: 3/100
How do I get 100 medals?
Any T5 and post-T5 medal "tier" will contribute. So level up the medals again and again and it will contribute to this medal progression. And yes, it's "a little bit" grindy.
Mika L
My exploration stat says: Approximate time played 3 months 27 days 16 hours 11 minutes.
My Steam hour counter is at 2814 hours, but I started playing this game a year before Odyssey was launched, in May 2020, and I played quite intensively for the first year, but then Odyssey's problems at start made me reduce gaming time.
Thanks, that is MUCH more than an intended amount of time for the medal, even assuming a lot of time was not actually spent on exobiology. So having the tier 5 medal is entirely justified.
VladmirMcDoogleHello!
This is more of a question than anything. I see that commander ranking scores can now go above 350,000 and that medals have multlipiers of some sort. Is there a place I could read about that change to understand it better? If not, could you briefly explain it here?
Thank you! o7
Hello, the change in that regard is that every "tier" past medal's tier 5 is contributing 5 points to the score. The requirements for each of the post-T5 "tier" are the same as for the medal's tier 5 (with only exception being the unique species for the Exobiologist, there is only one per "tier" needed as their number in the game is limited).
501 General VenatorPlease revert the medal tiers back to the old numbers. With this recent update pretty much everything is at tier 5, without having to do anything for it.
Im Tier 5 with the exploration medals now despite i have not explored much in my entire elite career.
The medals no longer represent someones prefered playstyle.
Uiros UeramosMika LRegarding post-T5 medals, I would find it better to just add more tiers, say up to tier 10.
I very much agree that this would be a far better solution than nerfing the ranks.
It would allow for far greater differentiation, far smother progression, would make all tiers more exciting, lower tiers would be more rewarding quicker and would respect the commitment of really higher tiers CMDRs.
The medal progression doesn't end at tier 5, so if anybody want to work on a specific medal further, there is still that option. It will just not alter the medal visuals and will not contribute that much score to the rankings.
Adding more tier while keeping the previous requirements doesn't solve the problem (the last medal tier was extremely hard to achieve), it just add some carrot in between at the cost of redesigning all the medals to avoid having just subtle differences between them and a loss of visual distinction. I was thinking about that, too.
29 Mar 2023, 12:32am
Could you develop several types of designs for medals? The current ones look like military decoration of North Korea.
29 Mar 2023, 1:05am
ACTIVE MEMBERS (INARA)
KNOWN ACTIVE MEMBERS (GAME)
UNKNOWN ACTIVITY (GAME)
?
Thanks,
Arcminute
29 Mar 2023, 1:58am
ArtieOk. I understand the concern about the medal visuals and the need for distinction between them, if one was to redesign the medals for 10 tiers.
501 General VenatorPlease revert the medal tiers back to the old numbers. With this recent update pretty much everything is at tier 5, without having to do anything for it.
Im Tier 5 with the exploration medals now despite i have not explored much in my entire elite career.
The medals no longer represent someones prefered playstyle.
Uiros UeramosMika LRegarding post-T5 medals, I would find it better to just add more tiers, say up to tier 10.
I very much agree that this would be a far better solution than nerfing the ranks.
It would allow for far greater differentiation, far smother progression, would make all tiers more exciting, lower tiers would be more rewarding quicker and would respect the commitment of really higher tiers CMDRs.
The medal progression doesn't end at tier 5, so if anybody want to work on a specific medal further, there is still that option. It will just not alter the medal visuals and will not contribute that much score to the rankings.
Adding more tier while keeping the previous requirements doesn't solve the problem (the last medal tier was extremely hard to achieve), it just add some carrot in between at the cost of redesigning all the medals to avoid having just subtle differences between them and a loss of visual distinction. I was thinking about that, too.
But the massive difference in engagement and achievements, between the top and the bottom Inara members, is way too great to be sorted out with such lowering of requirements.
You don't need to keep the old requirements, but the nerf that you have done has been way, way too massive across numerous categories. It just does not make sense to go from one extreme to the other.
In the impossibility of 10 tiers, I would think it more logical if the old requirements were lowered across the 5 tiers of categories about 3/4 on average. At the most 2/3.
29 Mar 2023, 2:49am
Shg56Artie,
Could you develop several types of designs for medals? The current ones look like military decoration of North Korea.
Not likely, partly because it's time consuming, partly because I want to keep some elements unified (so for example people can distinguish medal tiers on a quick glance).
ArcminuteHi, question about the Squadron Roster section, not finding through search: what counts as "active" for:
ACTIVE MEMBERS (INARA)
KNOWN ACTIVE MEMBERS (GAME)
UNKNOWN ACTIVITY (GAME)
?
Thanks,
Arcminute
A percentage of commanders to be active in the last 30 days (on Inara and in the game, where known).
Uiros Ueramos
You don't need to keep the old requirements, but the nerf that you have done has been way, way too massive across numerous categories. It just does not make sense to go from one extreme to the other.
...and yet, ~98% of commanders were still unable to get the tier 5 medals even after the adjustments. Try to get all medals to tier 5 and then we can talk about how easy it is.
29 Mar 2023, 2:59am
In other games, there are just achievements, without any gradation. I understand that for some people medals are an incentive to engage in certain activities, but most just enjoy the Elite.
Lowering the threshold of medal levels will only raise the statistics of players who do not have 10,000 hours behind them. And it will not lower the contribution of those who collected all the medals earlier.
Why is everyone so upset ?
Innovations and changes always drive progress and development. In addition, lower numbers in the requirements may encourage players to try themselves in other activities that previously seemed too time-consuming. For example, to travel 1 million light-years or collect 5,000 samples of organic matter. Provided that you need to collect three samples for one cactus, this turns out to be 15,000, which is quite frightening for those who do not get much pleasure from collecting organic matter. Players who, even before the reduction of the requirements for medals, were engaged in collecting organic matter and will continue to collect organic matter.
The question is much more interesting: are new medals planned for other game data and activities? There are a number of interesting journal entries that can be combined into a new medal. Maybe should think about it?
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