SakashiroGanking can't be separated from PvP because people do not usually pick fights they cannot win. The consequence is that PvP between strangers will usually be initiated by a player flying a more powerful ship and/or by a wing outnumbering the target. Whether this qualifies as a gank or not is really up to the player being attacked.

SakashiroAnother consequence of this is that the more you prepare your ship for PvP, the less likely other players will initiate combat with you. So if PvP with strangers is what you want, becoming a ganker is pretty much inevitable. The fact that PvP-capable ships can't be used for anything else contributes to the problem: Once you're stuck in Deciat with your overengineered FDL with its shitty jump range, attacking other players is the only thing you can do.

Renraiku

SakashiroGanking can't be separated from PvP because people do not usually pick fights they cannot win. The consequence is that PvP between strangers will usually be initiated by a player flying a more powerful ship and/or by a wing outnumbering the target. Whether this qualifies as a gank or not is really up to the player being attacked.

You said it there yourself "Usually", this is only because of the vast amount of Gankers as opposed to other PvPer's. You are wrong. They should be separated because they are different.

SakashiroAnother consequence of this is that the more you prepare your ship for PvP, the less likely other players will initiate combat with you. So if PvP with strangers is what you want, becoming a ganker is pretty much inevitable. The fact that PvP-capable ships can't be used for anything else contributes to the problem: Once you're stuck in Deciat with your overengineered FDL with its shitty jump range, attacking other players is the only thing you can do.

Again "Less Likely" and isn't that part of the whole point, to no longer be a victim? "Pretty much" is an assumption, my statement still stands.
"PvP ships can't be used for anything else." Absolute Rubbish! You can have a PvP capable ship that can do many other tasks than PvP. Almost all of my ships are PvP viable yet I perform BgS tasks with all of them successfully and efficiently.
No one is stuck in deciat with an over-engineered FDL. An FDL can jump plenty far enough to get out of the system.

RenraikuAlmost all of my ships are PvP viable yet I perform BgS tasks with all of them successfully and efficiently.

SakashiroI was talking about combat between strangers. If you want to make the case that PvPers don't select their targets carefully, go ahead. Just don't expect me to buy it on anecdotal evidence.

Regarding ship specialization: People don't generally use FDLs for exploration or mining. That doesn't mean it can't be done, it is just less likely. If you spot an FDL near a mining site, you can safely assume that it isn't there for mining. On the other hand, you're less likely to be interdicted by a player flying e.g. a Type-6. Again, you're welcome to change my mind about it by presenting statistics that prove me wrong. Until you do, I'll stick with common sense.

Phoebious Z

RenraikuAlmost all of my ships are PvP viable yet I perform BgS tasks with all of them successfully and efficiently.

Efficiently? How about trading, source/return or exploring with a pvp viable FDL/Vette? Or is "viable" equal to just escape?

RenraikuI didn't say I perform every task with every ship now did I.

RenraikuThere are simply too many variables for Ganking and other PvP to be all lumped in together.

Effie TrinketWhat if there is no ganking, only life?

Rebecca Hail

Effie TrinketWhat if there is no ganking, only life?

This is getting a little philosophical now, isn't it?

Grecale80

Rebecca Hail

Effie TrinketWhat if there is no ganking, only life?

This is getting a little philosophical now, isn't it?

The waiting for the ganking its ganking itself

Sakashiro

RenraikuThere are simply too many variables for Ganking and other PvP to be all lumped in together.

I disagree. It's impossible to draw a line between ganking and PvP because what an attacker considers legitimate PvP may be perceived as ganking by the player being attacked. On the other hand, when a wing of three players attack my Courier, it's clearly a gank attempt but also the type of PvP I am looking for. There is no objective standard for PvP vs. ganking, and that's why they're lumped together.

There is, however, a way to tell ganking from piracy.

Rebecca Hail

Grecale80

Rebecca Hail



This is getting a little philosophical now, isn't it?

The waiting for the ganking its ganking itself

I gank, therefore I am.