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Rebecca Hail

Sakashiro


What I meant by "not an ideal approach to therapy" is that an individual with diagnosed clinical depression probably shouldn't be allowed to play a game like EVE in the first place.

That's not our decision to make. I'm straight up not qualified enough to make any recommendation as to how to treat depression.

Here I have to disagree. You don't have to be a therapist to say that. Especially after playing the game for a bit I can guarantee that EVE is very much the wrong game to play when depressed. Not just because of the nature of the game and community but also because of how people play it. What we actually can't say is why he was depressed but let's assume for a moment that life was getting too much for him. EVE is often described as being a second job and "it's not a play style, it's a life style". So if he needed a game to think about something that isn't whatever what was bothering him irl EVE was just a bad idea. And even if he didn't need to get his mind off his real job or something. Working to get by is not really something you do to not be depressed.

Renraiku

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Rebecca Hail



That's not our decision to make. I'm straight up not qualified enough to make any recommendation as to how to treat depression.

Here I have to disagree. You don't have to be a therapist to say that. Especially after playing the game for a bit I can guarantee that EVE is very much the wrong game to play when depressed. Not just because of the nature of the game and community but also because of how people play it. What we actually can't say is why he was depressed but let's assume for a moment that life was getting too much for him. EVE is often described as being a second job and "it's not a play style, it's a life style". So if he needed a game to think about something that isn't whatever what was bothering him irl EVE was just a bad idea. And even if he didn't need to get his mind off his real job or something. Working to get by is not really something you do to not be depressed.

There are many ways to play EVE, it doesn't have to be a second job or a lifestyle. there is so much to do but you don't have to do much of it to enjoy it. What one person finds relaxing others may not. speculation is pointless. Rebecca is correct that is not our decision to make.

DadebluntsDamn even here people complaining about gankers.
Cmon guys, just get some shields and fly smart and you will be ok.

Sakashiro

Rebecca HailI'm usually more in the camp of "open is open season", but that isn't just "not an ideal approach to therapy", it's a crime. How they learned it and whether they could tell that it was serious have nothing to do with it.

If someone learn that someone else is suicidal and the first thing they think is: "Let's test how far I can push them before they actually do it", they belong behind bars for a couple of years.

As for it not being a bannable offense, that doesn't matter either. When it comes to online games the player themselves owns nothing, not even their account and the company behind the game can choose to ban for whatever reason. Additionally to that I'm fairly certain that pretty much every ToS states that you're not allowed to breach or attempt to breach laws.

Sorry for the rant but hearing something like that just makes me a bit mad.

What I meant by "not an ideal approach to therapy" is that an individual with diagnosed clinical depression probably shouldn't be allowed to play a game like EVE in the first place.

That being said, I just did some googling and found that the case was actually quite different than presented here. The Mittani apparently harassed the suicidal player outside the game, during a FanFest in Iceland, and he was drunk while doing so. He later publicly apologized and got banned from the game not for 6 months but 30 days. (Source)

How much the Mittani actually knew about the other player's depression at the time of the harassment remains unclear. I don't see any crime committed here, and if you still believe he "belongs behind bars for a couple of years", I would like to know on what legal basis.

Rebecca HailHowever, if players had acted upon him saying: “Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his [in-game] name is [REDACTED]”, that could be laid out as incitement to a crime in the best case and as indirect killing in the worst case (differentiating whether this would be an indirect killing or being an accomplice to a suicide is way out of my league). I feel like The Mittani didn't understand that in this context he isn't just a normal player, he's a public figure. And as public figure you can get into a "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" situation quite quickly.

I'd like to chime in on this.

I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.

Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.

EpisparhThat story tells just one thing:
Your actions in-game have real life consequences regardless of one's consent to this.
So if you think playing asshat in pixels do not define you as person...well, you need to think again.

The sad thing is that those who do not understand this most likely never will.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Renraiku

A PvP Flag is a bad Idea and will never be implemented. The whole point of open play is to be part of a dog eat dog environment in a dystopian future galaxy where everyone is subject to the same treatment and the same perils, where the strongest and/or smartest survive. There are already two other modes that essentially flag you as non PvP (Solo) and Selective PvP if desired (PG where the organiser chooses the rules). The decision to use this option was not made lightly.

The thing PvPers need is more meaningful PvP, give PvP a better reason to be a proper career path and you will find more people engage in it and Ganking will become less of an issue.

I started a new Epic account recently and found myself not realising I had left the Newb zones and ventured out too far, I didn't get ganked but I realised how easy it is for someone new not to notice the potentially disastrous mistake of entering an open system. The implementation on FDevs end in my opinion should be much more informative and even restrictive, there was no notice telling me if I jump to this system I am leaving the safezone, or if there was it was too minor to notice, there was certainly no prompt asking me if i was sure.

You have failed to encompass all PvPers in your speech, there are some who just don't care how others play the game, whether they gank noobs or not it makes no difference. Everyone is entitled to play their own way as long as it is within the EULA and ToU. I have attempted to help noobs previously with extremely limited success. Was it my approach? maybe, but it certainly wasn't hostile.

EpisparhSo Becci, do you think one's consent removes the connects of real life character with a magical wand?

I do not judge anyone - just saying that what you do online definitely reflects your real life and vice vsrsa.

RenraikuThis tells you absolutely nothing about the person in real life at all. You are deluding yourself if you think this. Playing a video game is automatically not reality and therefore the same rules do not apply as the real world.

Aleksander MajjamThe biggest thing out of all this that pisses me right the F off, is someone who apparently had dealt with depression before whom then goes on to call someone who is experiencing depression pathetic because they write about it online as a form of explaining that they're basically getting in-game cyber-bullied?