Elite roleplay: Q&A and OOC
21 Jun 2020, 3:32am
Enjoy.
21 Jun 2020, 3:52am
Isaiah EvansonThe novels are on the store, the official RPGs are by Spidermind Games and Daftworks.
Enjoy.
Thanks! I don't care enough about the items there to want to pay for them. All combined, that's no small sum.
The thought of a "Pay-Gate" to writing RPs here of which the 'hard-core' would approve sprung up in my mind.
I'm sure that can't be true, ofc.
Thank you though; the search included other resources of which I'll take advantage.
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21 Jun 2020, 4:35am
21 Jun 2020, 7:46am
I will however always point towards the wiki, which so far has not misinformed me even once, its articles being written quite well and always having provided a source for anything.
21 Jun 2020, 7:56am
Amata LireinI'm actually with Synthya on this one: There should be no need to buy either the RPG or the novels in order for you to be qualified to write a good character and/or story. I most certainly did neither and have no plans on changing that.
I will however always point towards the wiki, which so far has not misinformed me even once, its articles being written quite well and always having provided a source for anything.
I don't think anyone here is saying you have to buy the books to "be qualified," but they're the first-hand sources of information for quite a bit of Elite lore, which Synthia was asking for. The wiki is a decent source of info but it won't always present the information within context.
Regardless of where you get the info, it's important to find a reliable source of some sort that you can refer to when working within the confines of the Elite universe.
Best place I know of for lore-related questions is Jubei Himura's Elite Lore Discord. Lots of folks there who can answer most questions and provide references, as well as resources for individual perusal.
21 Jun 2020, 8:24am
21 Jun 2020, 8:46am
The Inhabitant
Do the rest of the site a favor and delete your account!
Careful here, as I also have a power to do stuff with accounts and I am not talking about Synthya's.
21 Jun 2020, 9:55am
21 Jun 2020, 12:09pm
Creamy Goodness III On the other hand, get a bit vague with the technical side of operating your space camper or some little utility systems your writing has added, and out come the Acctully Spouters like a literary Trapdoor Spiders. That's the details I don't worry about and flesh out once I've continued the story.
I agree with most of your post, but I don't think this is quite correct. I would argue that it's almost the opposite of what you describe: If someone go too detailed on the technical side they are more likely to encounter criticism or feedback than if they are vague on the exact technical details. I know myself I'm guilty of that, because I like discussions and providing feedback, something not always appreciated.
Creamy Goodness III
Almost every pro writer when asked for advice says "write what you know and tell your story" The rest of the nuts and bolts of actually making that story rounded, like do ya research come along with prof readers and editors that most of us don't have. With the lack of professional back up, we have common sense and the Literary Trapdoor Spiders to help us
While I agree with this, I think it should be empathised more. Do write what you know, and flesh it out as much as you can. It's the things you don't know which you -should- be vague about. For example, I have a lot of knowledge on how materials behave, being the education I pursued, and would probably consider things in deeper details than most on that topic. But while I have done some limited programming, I can't say I have much knowledge about software, and as such will gloss over for example any hacking sequence, being as vague as I can to not break the immersion of someone who do know more.
I don't write that often, but would always appreciate feedback. For example, I realise now that in my last post in the docks, while I did take account of G-force in the ship, I implicitly ignored the lack of gravity within it. That was wrong and I may have broken the immersion by some due to that. Had I instead been vague "took a sip of whiskey" instead of describing the gyroscopic holder for the glass (and while a gyroscopic holder work against the G-force, a glass does not work without gravity), there would have been no immersion breaking, as I would have let the reader fill in how the whiskey was consumed in whatever gravity they believe a ship have.
21 Jun 2020, 2:13pm
ArtieCareful here, as I also have a power to do stuff with accounts and I am not talking about Synthya's.
Couldn't care less, Artie.
In any case it's not about having to read the books. It's irritation at claiming the lore is sparse and then demonstrating an unwillingness to do even the most basic of research. It's the 21st Century. There are plenty of resources beyond what's listed for sale on Frontier's website. For starters there's wikis and lore Discords (Jubei Himura has a great one).
You don't need to read the books: talk to people who have. But even that seems beyond some. The mind reels.
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21 Jun 2020, 5:13pm
First of all, criticism needs to be constructive to be effective. Trying to shame someone into writing a story in a way you prefer is not constructive. Encouraging them to reference the lore of the universe and cite their sources is better, as long as it's done in the spirit of helping to form a cohesive narrative. Tone and motivation have a lot to do with it. While it isn't my place to play "tone police" — Artie is the authority here, not me — I do feel it's important to encourage all of us to help one another, rather than saying something that could potentially be harmful.
Which leads me to my next point: respect. We each have ideas for stories we wish to tell, and we know our characters and how we wish to portray them. My character is no more or less important than another person's. Treat others and their characters with respect, and that opens up the opportunity for others to treat you with respect in turn. Not everyone will choose to do so — that is not your fault. It's on each of us as individuals to make choices that are effective in showing up at our best and, to quote some of the greatest philosophers of our age, be excellent to one another. Your choices have consequences. Choose wisely.
An example of a respectful correction: Isaiah pointing folks in the direction of resources and clarifying that nobody has to read all of the books to be "qualified" to write a character in the universe of Elite.
An example of disrespect: Inhabitant telling someone to delete their account, and stating they don't care about the consequences of their actions.
Finally, there is no such thing as a stupid question. Asking questions is how we learn. Same with receiving comments and criticism. At the very least, we learn what individuals are here to help us craft better stories, and which individuals make choices that are harmful or judgmental . Be willing to ask, and to take correction. Making a mistake, missing a point of lore, or misrepresenting another character does not make you a bad person. We can all learn, and we can all make better choices. Own the mistakes you've made, take responsibility for any damage you may have done, and make the choice to do and be better.
Thanks for letting me get on my soapbox a bit. I feel very strongly about both writing and how people treat one another in a community like this.
Also, updated in the docks.
21 Jun 2020, 5:26pm
DJ Voidwho's turn is it on Docks rn?
My guess would be Amata, since Jason just pinged her through the Comm.
Creamy or Ao could chime in as well, since I think all of the characters are now on the move.