Elite roleplay: Q&A and OOC
11 Apr 2021, 6:38pm
I've been told about backers names being added before. Didn't know they took suggestions too. Wish I'd backed ED so I could have added a few names.
11 Apr 2021, 6:40pm
BestSecretaryEverSynthya WylderI'll point out that (as I recall) Drew Wagar himself left writing based on E:D basically because of the unwillingness/inability of the FDevs to broaden the scope of E:D lore. I'd have to research again for the specific quotes, but afaik, they're still out there. Drew has gone off to write his own works, perhaps in the same Sci-Fi flavor, but not strictly based on & for the E:D lore. He said something about his having more freedom to express himself.
I'd just like to highlight this part of your post. Matt made it very clear why Wagar isn't writing for FDEV anymore.
Now to this part of your post:
All that while doing a decent job remaining within the narrow & stifling boundaries of the E:D universe, originally based on simple pew-pew & not developing much beyond that ever since.
I enjoy seeing you still haven't bothered educating yourself about E:D and its history but take on the mantle of expertise.
It's clearly not about quality RP or a healthy community around it. You're in it for your ego.
First, Matt posted after I did; I gave my opinion, based on the best info I had.
Second, I've read the CODEX, & the whole timeline, & from what I've seen of the history, there's little more than that. Various 3rd-party authors have written their own works expanding on that but not (necessarily) official E:D lore, & little if any of that. What do we have of the major powers & associated in-game personalities other than what amounts to a dossier on each? I maintain my opinion that E:D lore is shallow & lacks breadth, as it all is based on & stems from what the original game premise was, & remains: pew-pew. I never claimed any particular expertise but I base my opinions on what I've seen & experienced so far.
Thirdly, what I posted has nothing to do with ego & I remain puzzled how you could come to such a conclusion, but hey, to each their own. That's merely your opinion. Might be a language comprehension issue, I've no idea.
Basically, what I objected to was what amounted to the heavy-handed smackdown of someone's character design, even if I don't necessarily agree with it, nor am I inclined to RP with it.
It's the haughty holier-than-thou my-shit-don't-stink attitude I see from several notable members, in a 3rd-party site even, that does its part in not giving me any inspiration to post RPs, stories, or logs here. That's all.
It's all opinion, or at least, it should be, & each of them worth neither more nor less than any other.
11 Apr 2021, 6:45pm
Synthya WylderFirst, Matt posted after I did; I gave my opinion, based on the best info I had.
As far as I can tell you had no real info at all, and yet felt free to speak authoritatively about it.
It's all opinion, or at least, it should be, & each of them worth neither more nor less than any other.
It's not obviously opinion?
Besides, hate to break it to you... but some ideas are better than others!
11 Apr 2021, 6:48pm
I'll step outside now, it's getting mighty stuffy...
11 Apr 2021, 6:48pm
ArtieBestSecretaryEver....
The station names are Easter eggs, plain and simple. There is no other conclusion that can be taken seriously.
The point is that even old artistic works can be known centuries later. Not all of them, of course, but there is a good chance that those notable will "survive". If we accept that the in-game station names are canonical, the Elite is somewhat a future of our current timeline and that Rodenberry stations are named after Gene Rodenberry, there is quite logical assumption they are named after him right because of Star Trek. Thus, Star Trek as a franchise can be easily a part of canon, as a historical work. Depends what in the game is actually canonical and what is not and as far as I know there no official statement about it.
^This. Which btw was what I said. Star Trek AS A FRANCHISE is part of the Elite Universe. Which does not mean that you can roleplay as a Klingon in E:D. But you can have your character watch a re-run of TNG in his quarters.
11 Apr 2021, 6:52pm
Synthya Wylder& a brief added commentary: In Synthya's Bio, there is an included mention of Star Trek lore, & written in such a way as to be perfectly plausible for being included.
I'll step outside now, it's getting mighty stuffy...
I read that. Not impressed at all.
Amata LireinArtieBestSecretaryEver....
The station names are Easter eggs, plain and simple. There is no other conclusion that can be taken seriously.
The point is that even old artistic works can be known centuries later. Not all of them, of course, but there is a good chance that those notable will "survive". If we accept that the in-game station names are canonical, the Elite is somewhat a future of our current timeline and that Rodenberry stations are named after Gene Rodenberry, there is quite logical assumption they are named after him right because of Star Trek. Thus, Star Trek as a franchise can be easily a part of canon, as a historical work. Depends what in the game is actually canonical and what is not and as far as I know there no official statement about it.
^This. Which btw was what I said. Star Trek AS A FRANCHISE is part of the Elite Universe. Which does not mean that you can roleplay as a Klingon in E:D. But you can have your character watch a re-run of TNG in his quarters.
Considering the aforementioned cataclysmic global war, where did they find a surviving copy of TNG?
Maybe a fragment of an episode. Maybe.
11 Apr 2021, 6:53pm
11 Apr 2021, 6:56pm
I would argue it is pretty high and mighty to demand others accept injecting ideas and concepts from other sources without respect to the setting.
Perhaps the reason you think Elite is shallow is because the lore simply doesn't interest you. If that's the case, that's a personal problem.
11 Apr 2021, 7:03pm
ArtieBy the way, it leads me to an idea: there are various sources for the official canon stuff, but it's quite scarce, incomplete, etc. and so my question is - is there interest in having some comprehensive and rich "lore wiki" on Inara and more importantly - are you willing to fill it with content, provide the credible references (to books, etc.) and manage it? Because I certainly have no time nor deep enough knowledge for that.
Elite itself already has a fairly decent Wiki, so I fear that anything we create here would be redundant. There are also a few meta issues with lore hierarchy, as some of the older books have been partially retconned, and that which is found in the EDRPG guides, though useful, are superceded by the game (which, with Odyssey approaching, I expect to see quite a bit). There is also the issue of who here should or even could he trusted with managing such a project, as I'm certain that there will be objections no matter who is appointed for the task.
11 Apr 2021, 7:04pm
Isaiah EvansonIt's not a holier than thou attitude if you're pointing out the fact that the subject matter is pretty clear that certain things don't exist within the confines of its setting.
I would argue it is pretty high and mighty to demand others accept injecting ideas and concepts from other sources without respect to the setting.
Perhaps the reason you think Elite is shallow is because the lore simply doesn't interest you. If that's the case, that's a personal problem.
It amuses me we're arguing about people in 3307 watching Star Trek: The Next Generation instead of imagining what they might actually watch. Shit, what would be science fiction to them? Would that even be a thing anymore?
"Dear, we live on a spaceship."
11 Apr 2021, 7:08pm
BestSecretaryEverSynthya Wylder& a brief added commentary: In Synthya's Bio, there is an included mention of Star Trek lore, & written in such a way as to be perfectly plausible for being included.
I'll step outside now, it's getting mighty stuffy...
I read that. Not impressed at all.
Amata LireinArtie
The point is that even old artistic works can be known centuries later. Not all of them, of course, but there is a good chance that those notable will "survive". If we accept that the in-game station names are canonical, the Elite is somewhat a future of our current timeline and that Rodenberry stations are named after Gene Rodenberry, there is quite logical assumption they are named after him right because of Star Trek. Thus, Star Trek as a franchise can be easily a part of canon, as a historical work. Depends what in the game is actually canonical and what is not and as far as I know there no official statement about it.
^This. Which btw was what I said. Star Trek AS A FRANCHISE is part of the Elite Universe. Which does not mean that you can roleplay as a Klingon in E:D. But you can have your character watch a re-run of TNG in his quarters.
Considering the aforementioned cataclysmic global war, where did they find a surviving copy of TNG?
Maybe a fragment of an episode. Maybe.
Hmm, lets see.... billions of copies of entire seasons of Star Trek series and movies on DVD and BlueRay, the fact that you can store that data easily on small digital storage devices like SSDs and USB-sticks... Oh, and that a lot of countries entertain bunkers deep inside mountains/underground for the sole purpose of preserving important pieces of art. And considering how influential Trek is/was I can totally see that happening here. You want prove on how influential Trek is? They named the prototype Space Shuttle, The OV-101, after the Enterprise.
11 Apr 2021, 7:10pm
BestSecretaryEverIsaiah EvansonIt's not a holier than thou attitude if you're pointing out the fact that the subject matter is pretty clear that certain things don't exist within the confines of its setting.
I would argue it is pretty high and mighty to demand others accept injecting ideas and concepts from other sources without respect to the setting.
Perhaps the reason you think Elite is shallow is because the lore simply doesn't interest you. If that's the case, that's a personal problem.
It amuses me we're arguing about people in 3307 watching Star Trek: The Next Generation instead of imagining what they might actually watch. Shit, what would be science fiction to them? Would that even be a thing anymore?
"Dear, we live on a spaceship."
People in 2021 are watching reruns of Back to the Future 2, showing how the 1980s imagined 2015 to be...
11 Apr 2021, 7:11pm
ArtieBy the way, it leads me to an idea: there are various sources for the official canon stuff, but it's quite scarce, incomplete, etc. and so my question is - is there interest in having some comprehensive and rich "lore wiki" on Inara and more importantly - are you willing to fill it with content, provide the credible references (to books, etc.) and manage it? Because I certainly have no time nor deep enough knowledge for that.
Yes please. I've forgotten more sites to use than I still use.
I think that is one page that would require a gatekeeper. it would be s tough one to get right, but I'd like to see it here.
11 Apr 2021, 7:15pm
BestSecretaryEverSynthya Wylder& a brief added commentary: In Synthya's Bio, there is an included mention of Star Trek lore, & written in such a way as to be perfectly plausible for being included.
I'll step outside now, it's getting mighty stuffy...
I read that. Not impressed at all.
Thank the stars I didn't write that with the idea of expecting your approval. Not that I need(ed) it.
11 Apr 2021, 7:16pm
Amata LireinHmm, lets see.... billions of copies of entire seasons of Star Trek series
Did I mention the global war was nuclear?
People in 2021 are watching reruns of Back to the Future 2, showing how the 1980s imagined 2015 to be...
Was Back to the Future released 1300 years ago?