Stillgar777

Renraiku
That is a terribly inaccurate analogy.

You have been here a very short time and you throw around accusations like you have been here for ages and have discussed lore here in infinitum, yet you are self proclaimed new to the site.
Perhaps listen to those who know the Lore and are willing to share it and they can assist in negotiating the difficult sections.

YUP i'm a NEWBIE and as such these are my FIRST impressions of your little club.. and so far i'm not that impressed.

Sappho

M. Lehman

SapphoIndeed she is. I never considered that relevant.

So, by your definition, anything found on the E:D Fandom sites, at least lore-wise, is invalid? I think that needs to be determined.

Well, it's rather curious for you to dramatically quit this board as Synthia but still frequent it as your Sappho. Just... Why?

And I'd treat the fan sites (like EliteWiki) the same way that I treat Wikipedia. If the information is basically a rehash of official canon and readily backed by official sources, then it's fine. If not, it's fair game to be questioned.

As to why, to make a point. It also gave me an opportunity to make a statement as Sappho that would be much more difficult if not impossible as Synthya.

Which I've already made elsewhere.

Essentially, my question remains unanswered.

The link Stillgar777 posted basically confirms my sentiments (I've watched it before) - but none of that, even what was included as commentary by Drew Wagar - means nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's mere commentary & opinion since THE ONLY THING that matters is that which is officially recognized as lore, thin, narrow & shallow as it is.

RP in Inara is to be limited to merely & only that which is dictated by the sources which you've listed & Artie's consideration of others' creativity is to be commended, yet even that is derided & ridiculed by some members.

The sources which include officially recognized novels you mentioned is, IMO, reasonable, but I'll also point out, yours don't seem to be included - on Drew's site, yours are listed as unofficial. Please correct me if I'm in error. All kudos to you for having the inspiration, time & energy to write them.

In summary, with the exclusion of Artie's 'Alternative Reality' section, writing RP in Inara is to be limited to only that which is recognized as 'official' lore. That's OK. It's Artie's site.

There are opportunities elsewhere to write with imagination & creativity which exceeds the limited bounds of E:D lore.

& that is not a very high bar.

Renraiku

Knightwolf 1785I've read over all 50+ post going on over this and I'm just seeing one thing here. A wall of seeing only one thing. Artie, Renraiku, and Isaiah I'd like you to go back to page 370... Well I see a few post have been removed. Regardless I'd like you three to just read over the post, forgetting that you either own the site or know the lore, and read it like someone just coming in. I think you might see it differently. That's all I am asking of you is to see it from another way is all. Nothing else. I've had my say and will leave it at that. Good day.

You need to go back further than that for context. Or your finger pointing is pointless.

Knightwolf 1785I've read over all 50+ post going on over this and I'm just seeing one thing here. A wall of seeing only one thing. Artie, Renraiku, and Isaiah I'd like you to go back to page 370... Well I see a few post have been removed. Regardless I'd like you three to just read over the post, forgetting that you either own the site or know the lore, and read it like someone just coming in. I think you might see it differently. That's all I am asking of you is to see it from another way is all. Nothing else. I've had my say and will leave it at that. Good day.

Knightwolf 1785

Renraiku

Knightwolf 1785I've read over all 50+ post going on over this and I'm just seeing one thing here. A wall of seeing only one thing. Artie, Renraiku, and Isaiah I'd like you to go back to page 370... Well I see a few post have been removed. Regardless I'd like you three to just read over the post, forgetting that you either own the site or know the lore, and read it like someone just coming in. I think you might see it differently. That's all I am asking of you is to see it from another way is all. Nothing else. I've had my say and will leave it at that. Good day.

You need to go back further than that for context. Or your finger pointing is pointless.

What? I'm not finger pointing at all here. You know what forget it. I tried being nice, with now finger pointing at all, and ask to see how things are without a colored view. Instead I get told I'm finger pointing? I am truly done with the RP here and so much more. I just need the information on where to sell what I've mined and that is all. Let the rest of this just be forgotten and fester.

Isaiah EvansonOne other thing:

"Michael Brookes said in the Elite: Dangerous Fiction Diary #1: ....

Renraiku[quote=Stillgar777][quote=Renraiku]

How is this my little club?
explain this to me in detail.

Stillgar777

Renraiku
That is a terribly inaccurate analogy.

You have been here a very short time and you throw around accusations like you have been here for ages and have discussed lore here in infinitum, yet you are self proclaimed new to the site.
Perhaps listen to those who know the Lore and are willing to share it and they can assist in negotiating the difficult sections.

YUP i'm a NEWBIE and as such these are my FIRST impressions of your little club.. and so far i'm not that impressed.

I actually have no problem staying within canon.. its just the need to READ so much material apparently. its COMPLICATED. Many of us want to chat a little and play a lot and READ VERY LITTLE!!! So throwing pages of Canon material at me is kinda mind numbing. And I doubt I will ever pick up a NOVEL about ED.

Just Write a simple point form list so new people KNOW what the boundaries are ACTUALLY. (and why!)

I would not have jumped in to RP had I known It would be so rigid and controversial. I just wanted to have fun and meet new people and now I'm drawn into some kind of anti-bulling campagn. This all became too serious all of a sudden. My character was supposed to provide some (obviously much needed) comic relief! But, apparently I needed a course in ED mythos before I could start to "creatively write."

Stillgar777

Isaiah EvansonOne other thing:

"Michael Brookes said in the Elite: Dangerous Fiction Diary #1: ....

So whos he? is he canon or not? official or not? who vets who? whos the arbitor? How is a person supposed to KNOW all this stuff?
How is a person supposed to KNOW any of this stuff? its not in game.. there is no ONE canon source either apparently.

I see a lot of people throwing around authority without actually having any...

Renraiku

Knightwolf 1785

Renraiku


You need to go back further than that for context. Or your finger pointing is pointless.

What? I'm not finger pointing at all here. You know what forget it. I tried being nice, with now finger pointing at all, and ask to see how things are without a colored view. Instead I get told I'm finger pointing? I am truly done with the RP here and so much more. I just need the information on where to sell what I've mined and that is all. Let the rest of this just be forgotten and fester.

You specifically named several people in your post, therefore you pointed your virtual finger at those people regarding what was written at a specific point in a conversation, not the beginning but part way through.
Perhaps you should reread your post and consider it from another point of view.

Stillgar777

Renraiku

Stillgar777

Renraiku

How is this my little club?
explain this to me in detail.

Your club. This club. the club YOU belong to. I dont understand what needs clarifying..

Knightwolf 1785I named three who are talking and working on this. In some cases enforcing the point of keeping to lore. So I just wanted to ask the top three to try something is all. No call out beyond name to make sure it was clear who I was talking to is all.

Artie

Knightwolf 1785I've read over all 50+ post going on over this and I'm just seeing one thing here. A wall of seeing only one thing. Artie, Renraiku, and Isaiah I'd like you to go back to page 370... Well I see a few post have been removed. Regardless I'd like you three to just read over the post, forgetting that you either own the site or know the lore, and read it like someone just coming in. I think you might see it differently. That's all I am asking of you is to see it from another way is all. Nothing else. I've had my say and will leave it at that. Good day.

Well, I fully understand the sentiment. I do. But take a look on that this way: You create a Baratheon's bastard son character from Game of thrones universe. You will make all his background, skilfully write his stories and it will be excellent. Although it may be written quite neutrally, but still will be true to the GoT universe. Everybody who will read it will say it's a fantastic work. So fantastic, that even Mr. Martin himself can be pale in envy. Then you decide to put this character and his stories onto... well, as I have mentioned it earlier, Middle-earth RP forum. How that will work? It's obvious it won't unless serious edits will be made to keep the quality of the work AND to keep the consistency with the Tolkien's universe. It's same here - nobody is asking the authors to limit their fantasy, to cripple their "craftsmanship", definitely not. The only thing that is asked is to keep it within the universe rules as set by Frontier and works acknowledged by Frontier. Is it a limiting factor? It depends on the view. Does that limit the author to create awesome characters and stories? Definitely not, there are great books and movies with great stories and characters that are complying even with the current boring real world "lore".