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Thinder
16 Nov 2024, 10:01pm
Jawohl Duffal
ArtieSo you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.


Untrue or misleading information given to you to get you to buy something that's definition of false advertising to me that's exactly what PMKII is.

Except that data proves that the claim of the Python MK II being superior as a combat ship are not unfunded, that's one grievance out of the equation.

If people don't like this ship, fine, but it's not a reason to say that what was claimed wasn't true, data doesn't lie, the Python MK II has superior Combat potential than other ships in her class, only in a furball would she score lower than the Krait but again, performances are a matter of compromise.

The Class 6 Power Plant saves weight and so the Fer-de-Lance, Mamba and Python MK II get their performances from this conceptual design, as far as I know the FDL was the reference in PvE for a reason, it's one vs one most of the time, but again in a furball she wouldn't last long when fire at by several ships at once, speed and agility doesn't compensate for strong shields and killing the target faster helps.

Those are facts based on data, easy to compare.... FDL Python MK II

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:22am
Thinder
16 Nov 2024, 10:03pm


Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:22am
Black Adder
16 Nov 2024, 10:05pm
Thinder, you are trying to dissuade. The case here is false advertising not ships per say.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:23am
Thinder
16 Nov 2024, 10:17pm
Jawohl DuffalThinder, you are trying to dissuade. The case here is false advertising not ships per say.

I'm making a valid point, if they did indeed advertise the Python MK II as superior is wasn't a false claim.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:23am
Artie
16 Nov 2024, 10:23pm
Jawohl Duffal
ArtieSo you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.


Untrue or misleading information given to you to get you to buy something that's definition of false advertising to me that's exactly what ARX PMKII was. There was the intention to sell ARX so to say to make money...

You are reacting to something completely different (the "problem" that the loadouts for the ships bought for ARX are basic). Either way, although I am not sure if the claim "Python Mk II is a superior combat ship" was actually made by FDev (as far as I remember they wanted to position it to compete with the PvP ships by some of their streams, but I cannot dispute for certain they truly said the first), the constant spinning on: "They lied to us! Bad, bad Frontier!" during any even remotely related opportunity starts to be tiresome.

(And I will move this whole discussion into the Rant corner where it belongs later on.)

Last edit: 17 Nov 2024, 3:23am
Thinder
16 Nov 2024, 11:44pm
It's rare when I see one in a CZ but killing an Elite FDL with a Krait MK II is somewhat validating my view of the ship, especially because I used Premium Ammunition for the 4 X 2B MODIFIED GUARDIAN PLASMA CHARGER [FIXED] Overcharged, that's 30% more damage per weapon...

Equiped with 4 X 2B GUARDIAN PLASMA CHARGER [FIXED], the best my FDL can do is 2.7 and 80. in Damage and Armour Percing...

That's why the Krait MK II is a beast in a CZ, sure, she doesn't have the combat Persistence of the Corvette, less Base Shield and Armour, less capacity to recharge the shields, but she has enough and is agile enough to take down any other ship type FAST and get out of dodge when the furball get tough.

Even with Standard ammo, I saw a ship go one salvo k-boom with 17% HP remaining and I'm sure those weapons can do more.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:23am
Meowers
16 Nov 2024, 11:47pm
Hells... Using premium synths on a single PvE bot schmuck and validating something through it?

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:23am
Kasumi Goto
16 Nov 2024, 11:56pm
MeowersHells... Using premium synths on a single PvE bot schmuck and validating something through it?

Imagine using premium synths for any PvE content except (maybe) fighting a Hydra solo, where that extra damage might actually be meaningful in the fight.

I personally wouldn’t outside - maybe - that situation.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:24am
Thinder
17 Nov 2024, 12:15am
MeowersHells... Using premium synths on a single PvE bot schmuck and validating something through it?

Yes and so WHAT?

I would have killed this Elite FDL with standard ammo anyway, FACT IS; the Krait has the agility and resilience to do it, using premium just make things faster, no need for a Mamba or a Python MK II, point; the Krait has more firepower and shield than both. Ooooops.

Ps. If you like to take more damage and take more time to get a kill, you're welcome to use Standard Ammunition.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:24am
Black Adder
17 Nov 2024, 2:07am
Thinder
Jawohl DuffalThinder, you are trying to dissuade. The case here is false advertising not ships per say.


I'm making a valid point, if they did indeed advertise the Python MK II as superior is wasn't a false claim.

Thinder stay with the philosophy how to make the perfect ship with E grade units.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:24am
Black Adder
17 Nov 2024, 2:10am
Artie
Jawohl Duffal
ArtieSo you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.



Untrue or misleading information given to you to get you to buy something that's definition of false advertising to me that's exactly what ARX PMKII was. There was the intention to sell ARX so to say to make money...


You are reacting to something completely different (the "problem" that the loadouts for the ships bought for ARX are basic). Either way, although I am not sure if the claim "Python Mk II is a superior combat ship" was actually made by FDev (as far as I remember they wanted to position it to compete with the PvP ships by some of their streams, but I cannot dispute for certain they truly said the first), the constant spinning on: "They lied to us! Bad, bad Frontier!" during any even remotely related opportunity starts to be tiresome.

(And I will move this whole discussion into the Rant corner where it belongs later on.)

Whatever, if FD is not fixing PMKII by this Xmas, I will file for false advertising in my domicile.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:24am
Thinder
17 Nov 2024, 2:38am
Jawohl Duffal
Thinder stay with the philosophy how to make the perfect ship with E grade units.

How am I going to take advises from someone who can't read stats? Everyone can but you, you're wrong. Btw, I cannibalize my ships often enough for an E Class module to find its way in one of my fits, no biggies...
Initial release of PMKII for ARX is the classical case of false advertising. It was the first ARX ship which was heavily advertised by FD as a superior medium combat ship (unfounded performance claims).

Your delusion vs reality:

BASE SHIELD=316 MJ + BASE ARMOUR=504 vs BASE SHIELD=271 MJ BASE ARMOUR=405. AGILITY=144 vs AGILITY=132. Python MK II vs FDL.

Manufactured by Faulcon deLacy, the Python Mk II is a redesign of an iconic vessel. Reimagined as a combat ship that sacrifices internal space for increased manoeuvrability, firepower and defence. With six hardpoints, it can go head-to-head with larger ships, while its improved agility allows it to handle smaller vessels without having to rely on turret weapons. The redesigned hull offers superior management of overcharged Frame Shift Drives.

The Python Mk II has been designed for medium-size landing pads.
PYTHON MK II


Jawohl Duffal

Whatever, if FD is not fixing PMKII by this Xmas, I will file for false advertising in my domicile.

Go on, make us laugh. My advise: Try a better fit.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:24am
Black Adder
17 Nov 2024, 2:46am
Stats mean nothing on paper unless tested in real. It is 750K fine probably 1/4 of what FD made on PMKII ARX sales.

Post edited/moved by: Artie, 17 Nov 2024, 3:24am
Emily Valefor
17 Nov 2024, 4:18am
Ah, I see that non positive talk is now rants, but dog whistles get to stay in. Odd choice.
Thinder
17 Nov 2024, 4:40am
Jawohl DuffalStats mean nothing on paper unless tested in real. It is 750K fine probably 1/4 of what FD made on PMKII ARX sales.

Oh yeah, meaning you managed to LOSE the advantage your Python MK II had over your FDL with a mediocre fit perhaps?

And btw when you're finished mimicking the US politics and came back to hearth, maybe you'll bother SHOW us where ED has advertised the Python as superior and where it is not. I posted the stats for you to start the process.

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