Elite: Game talk

Glial2
01 Oct 2024, 7:21pm
AH
FSD range is still unacceptable (24.35ly). ... last 4 and 5. Will it get any better`?


Just a few tips to add on top of what others have said: (might also be some useful things for User455123)

EDSY can be a bit daunting to use so I'd also recommend trying coriolis.io

Remember to 'pin' engineer blueprints so you can apply that effect to modules without having to travel to the engineer (if you have long range FSD pinned with Martuuk, you can apply the effect in almost any starport and travel to Felicity Farseer *shudder* to apply the experimental effect. Experimental effects can only be applied at an engineer which engineers that module).

Take a bit of time to get to know the A to E outfitting types as well as armour. The tldr is that A is best, B is strongest, D is lightest (but this isn't the same for shield boosters and other modules might work a bit differently too).

I'd recommend unlocking Selene Jean via Tod "The Blaster" McQuinn as armour and hull reinforcements make a big difference

With armour have a look at EDSY or coriolis and look at the differences between
-- C-armour fully engineered with heavy duty (keep in mind this still weighs 0 tonnes and you can add hull reinforcements for a fraction of the weight for extra HP)
-- The resistances for military vs mirrored vs reactive (keep in mind that thargoids ignore thermal/explosive/kinetic damage so military is always good to have in storage, especially for a krait mkII)
Reactive armour with thermal engineering will give you good all round resistance vs Reactive with heavy duty and hull reinforcements to cover the lack of thermal resistance.

Once you've got the hang of how armour and resistances work it'll be easier to understand shields as they have similar concepts

With exploring and distance, learn to find and use neutron stars; they will quadruple your jump range for one jump and make it easier to get further away from the bubble where you'll find completely unexplored systems which will boost your credits.
The 'Jameson Lighthouse' system is a good place within the bubble to practice.
To find neutron stars I'd recommend using the 'star class' mode in the galaxy map and only displaying O-type, B-type, and non-sequence stars

Last edit: 01 Oct 2024, 7:37pm
Sakashiro
01 Oct 2024, 7:36pm
AH
Rawnu....

If you click on export in EDSY, you can create a URL with your build. This way it is easier to make suggestions to you. But here's the big question: what is that build supposed to do?



I did that. It just opens the inara.cz with 3 options: OD and 2 other games or something. I select Ody, nothing happens.

Answer to your question: It should take me from A-B, fast, and if I get in trouble give me a chance... or if I get fed up with collecting DNA samples, I can practice something more violent Maybe bounty hunting or something. I did few "can a politician" or blow up that power/turret/something but those end with me behind bars + tiny fee and 60+ Ly road back "home". That got old really fast. LOL.

There is a second Export under : OPS

https://edsy.org/s/vRQAv3I

Here's my suggestion. 45 Ly jump range and a fast fuel scoop for easy traveling, thermal weapons with unlimited ammo, enough shields to survive a gank or shoot pirates in resource extraction sites until you get bored. DSS if you want to explore, SRV for surface ops. It's a decent allrounder and moneymaker. But it's not optimized for PvP, keep that in mind. The ship can evade ganks but not fight back.
Thinder
01 Oct 2024, 8:13pm
Indy
Thinder
The Krait Mk II is not designed (like the Phamtom) as an exploration ship, she is a medium Combat ship and as such, her Jump Range is limited.

If you want a longer Jump Range from a Krait you chose the wrong one, the Phantom is far better for the role especially because they are like most medium ships, sensitive to internal load, in short, you must compromise and swap this load including Modules, to optimize the Jump range.

If I were you I'd fit my MKII for Combat and start from scratch with a Phantom.


I agree with Thinder here. You've seen me advise the Phantom before.
Flying two Kraits, one for combat and the other for exploration, would be a good way to go. It'd allow you to maximize the use of each too.

If you want to find a compromise in between though, hopefully some of the aforementioned modifications will help.


The problem with the MKII is that it weights 50 tons more than the Phantom, since Jump Range is linked to weight, the MKII will never be able to compensate and equal the Phantom in the exploration role.

On the other hand, if one like the Kraits, she still make for a decent combat ship, I use mine from time to time and what I appreciate the most is her fighter bay, but also the class 7 POWER DISTRIBUTOR, a plus compared to my Python MKII which will lose the main Beam Laser when PIPs is set to Weapons, by power depletion.

The XG9 Lance fighter Gauss Focus Cannon is also a plus (with an Elite Pilot), especially to deplete target shields, it's literally equal to an extra Beam Laser in term of damage, all in all, I think the MKII well fitted can be as efficient as a Python MKII.

On the /wiki/XG9_Lance page, they say its efficiency against shields is reduced but I see its effects all the time, plus my pilot occasionally takes down light fighters on her own, I also order her to assist a friendly against another target while taking on another (combat Zones).

Last edit: 01 Oct 2024, 8:19pm
Meowers
01 Oct 2024, 10:56pm
Yeah, sometimes I think that Elite lacks the 'rent'/'test-drive' option for ships. At least, unlike it happens with cars, you don't experience a 50% value loss as soon as you depart from the dealer's office.
Aunty Sledge
02 Oct 2024, 7:31am
Initiate combat with the fighter and a large enemy ship won't even target you until their shields are down. The fighter bay makes the Krait Mk2 way better than the FDL in PvE combat.

Pirate Anacondas drop like flies, the purchase cost of the ship can be made back in no time.
AH
02 Oct 2024, 8:55am
Thanks for all the info.
I ended up with this last night https://edsy.org/s/vXmL6D0 but this will need some changes based on what I just read.
Not a big fan of the whole engineering mafia. They are far, they need crap I need to search/trade and so on. Also, the whole Guardian FS unlock seems to be a whole new adventure. I think my ASP Explorer is perfect for it. I'll adjust it a bit based on what I have learned from ya'll in past 24h.

I get the reason for 2 ships. It makes sense. For now, I am mostly in "land and scan the plants" business + light fight when I get the "help, they are attacking..." while on a mission from a random station.

To fatten up my bank roll, I'll do few more "smell the flowers" plant scan trips so I can later upgrade to more trigger happy gigs and coughing up the coin at buy the "back you ship" screens.
Thinder
02 Oct 2024, 9:11am
Aunty SledgeInitiate combat with the fighter and a large enemy ship won't even target you until their shields are down. The fighter bay makes the Krait Mk2 way better than the FDL in PvE combat.

Pirate Anacondas drop like flies, the purchase cost of the ship can be made back in no time.


I never was able to get the FDL to work for me, mostly due to my weapon fit choice, like the Python MKII, the 6A POWER DISTRIBUTOR limits the use of a higher class Beam Laser and I heavily rely on them to take down shields, I kept experimenting with RAIL GUN but I'm not totally happy with this solution.

Both FDL and Python MKII would do with a fighter bay...

AHThanks for all the info.
I ended up with this last night https://edsy.org/s/vXmL6D0 but this will need some changes based on what I just read.
Not a big fan of the whole engineering mafia. They are far, they need crap I need to search/trade and so on. Also, the whole Guardian FS unlock seems to be a whole new adventure. I think my ASP Explorer is perfect for it. I'll adjust it a bit based on what I have learned from ya'll in past 24h.

I get the reason for 2 ships. It makes sense. For now, I am mostly in "land and scan the plants" business + light fight when I get the "help, they are attacking..." while on a mission from a random station.

To fatten up my bank roll, I'll do few more "smell the flowers" plant scan trips so I can later upgrade to more trigger happy gigs and coughing up the coin at buy the "back you ship" screens.


My advise: Your multi cannon can use Corrosive Shells, this will increase the damage output of ALL other weapons. Your MKII can easily use Beam Lasers instead of Pulse, still higher DMG, you don't have much shields, so taking the target down as fast as possible is important.

MULTI-CANNON [GIMBALLED] Overcharged XXXXX Corrosive Shell.
Short range XXX Oversized (2100m range) + one Thermal Vent.


Last edit: 02 Oct 2024, 9:25am
Salmonea
02 Oct 2024, 12:22pm
For corrosive shell use some small MC and with high capacity engeneering.
Vasil Vasilescu
02 Oct 2024, 12:54pm
AHThanks for all the info.
Not a big fan of the whole engineering mafia. They are far, they need crap I need to search/trade and so on.


As you progress in Combat Rank, you will end up needing more engineered components (especially weapons) to counter the increased rank of the NPCs you encounter. This becomes painfully evident if you enter a combat zone.

As far as collecting engineering materials, I have a large cargo bay for limpets and a limpet controller on my KMII to collect debris from defeated NPCs and from points of interest like High Grade Emissions.
Sampi Ogonek
02 Oct 2024, 1:05pm
SakashiroYou can tell if you're alone in an instance by pressing Ctrl-B and watching the traffic.

Or you can look at the contact history (the fourth tab of the Comms panel). If you’re in an instance with anyone they will show up there with the last seen time of “Now”.

Vasil VasilescuAs far as collecting engineering materials, I have a large cargo bay for limpets and a limpet controller on my KMII to collect debris from defeated NPCs and from points of interest like High Grade Emissions.

Worth pointing out that the Operations Multi-Limpet Controller can control up to 4 collection limpets at a time, while a regular Class 3 Collector Limpet Controller can only 2. More active limpets can speed things up a lot, given that after the recent change HGEs can contain insane amounts of materials.

Last edit: 02 Oct 2024, 1:13pm
Thinder
02 Oct 2024, 3:46pm
Vasil Vasilescu
AHThanks for all the info.
Not a big fan of the whole engineering mafia. They are far, they need crap I need to search/trade and so on.



As you progress in Combat Rank, you will end up needing more engineered components (especially weapons) to counter the increased rank of the NPCs you encounter. This becomes painfully evident if you enter a combat zone.

As far as collecting engineering materials, I have a large cargo bay for limpets and a limpet controller on my KMII to collect debris from defeated NPCs and from points of interest like High Grade Emissions.


I use Premium ammo in the CZs, so I alternate with passenger missions (Robigo Run) to replenish Raw Materials, and it's a good break from Combat too.
Vasil Vasilescu
02 Oct 2024, 5:08pm
Sampi Ogonek Worth pointing out that the Operations Multi-Limpet Controller can control up to 4 collection limpets at a time, while a regular Class 3 Collector Limpet Controller can only 2. More active limpets can speed things up a lot, given that after the recent change HGEs can contain insane amounts of materials.


Yeah, I use a multi controler and deploy 2-4 limpets depending on how much debris I need to recover. One high grade emissions POI can max out a grade 5 material from 0 to 100. I've had to leave behind grade 5 imperial shielding material because I reached the allotted 100 units. But this sort of makes getting the lesser materials easier. Just trade the grade 5s for the lesser materials and go get more grade 5 from high grade emissions POIs in systems where the controlling faction is experiencing a boom.

It's grindy, but not as bad as it used to be.
AH
02 Oct 2024, 8:15pm
So, I am going to take my AspX to a Guardian site in Synuefe PX-J something. Got my to 2 SRV, massive fuel scoop and off I go. 17 jumps makes me wonder is it really worth it. Adios!
Glial2
02 Oct 2024, 10:07pm
AHSo, I am going to take my AspX to a Guardian site in Synuefe PX-J something.


There's a neutron star at Chi Carinae which should cut out a good chunk of LY each way.

I'd suggest checking how many weapon/module/SLF you want to get the corresponding Blueprint Fragments for to make the trip efficient
Aunty Sledge
03 Oct 2024, 1:20am
AHSo, I am going to take my AspX to a Guardian site in Synuefe PX-J something. Got my to 2 SRV, massive fuel scoop and off I go. 17 jumps makes me wonder is it really worth it. Adios!


I hope you remembered to put point defence on the top of your ship and land real close to the guardian side. You'll thank me later...

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