Elite: Game talk
today, 2:34am
today, 9:35am
Stronghold carrier admin: "Oi, you got a loicence for that permit!?"
;)
today, 10:05am
It's gilt-edged, glamorous and sleek by design
it's got its sharp edges, hidden inside
It's hard, unrestrained and it's totally cool
It teases and it pleases as you're cruising through the starlight
Over half a billion spent so far on her, and still more engineering to go, just because she's the prettiest boat in the shipyard.
AHDo stronghold carriers have some type of rank or allegiance requirements?
I presume its power play and you need to be pledged to the controlling power.
today, 10:39am
Also, the PLASMA CHARGERS seems to have a mind of their own, they fire even when the trigger is fully depressed, I'll investigate this to make sure I reduce overheating.
So at the end of a sortie I often end up with structural damage, what I do now, is to Reboot and Repair to make sure I don't have to crawl to the pad during landing on the Carrier.
Last edit: 16 Nov 2024, 10:53am
today, 12:03pm
Miner WillyMy Latest toy, the Vainglorious Heart
It's gilt-edged, glamorous and sleek by design
it's got its sharp edges, hidden inside
It's hard, unrestrained and it's totally cool
It teases and it pleases as you're cruising through the starlight
Over half a billion spent so far on her, and still more engineering to go, just because she's the prettiest boat in the shipyard.
Noice, you got a loicens for that?
;)
EDSY link?
today, 3:57pm
Artie
But please, no made-up bullshit based on no facts/data/etc. here. Thank you.
This seems to be the primary thing people do in these discussions. You can't even ask a question and get an answer from anyone who actually did the thing you're asking about.
today, 7:04pm
ArtieJawohl Duffal
No, I think FD cheated players with PMKII that's why real ED players not FDBs are not buying mandas though Starfield has not picked up so far and 2.5K of Starfielders came over bating on manda and PP2.0 that helped FD a bit.
I am not against a negative feedback towards the game/FDev here, if it's constructive at least a bit, as may be seen in the discussion multiple times. But please, no made-up bullshit based on no facts/data/etc. here. Thank you.
Herein is a brief of facts:
Initial release of PMKII for ARX is the classical case of false advertising. It was the first ARX ship which was heavily advertised by FD as a superior medium combat ship (unfounded performance claims). A lot of players bought ARX to get that ship. In reality it turned out that it is not a superior combat ship but just OK one barely surpassing MKII. Its index for OUs is only 17, yes it has SCO but players would hardly use it because of small fuel tank. When I addressed to FD that something is not right about the ship, initially they said that space was taken by SCO and 2 extra utility spots but then they mentioned that ship was nerfed on purpose otherwise the ship would be too good so it would shadow other combat ships. Now when Manda has arrived, it contrasts the above even more clear. Manda has SCO and it has matching fuel tank and its OU index is 30. Somehow SCO did not take OUs space. Another thing did you noticed the difference how advertising for Manda was done. It was done mostly by some third parties not by FD directly. FD did release short video close to launch date but they never claim that it is superior travel ship, they even were honest for a change showing that you will jump further but you will find the same FAC (Fonticulue Campestris – Amethyst). “Don't forget that no one actually needs to be deceived or misled for a court to find that an advertisement is misleading”.
Last edit: 16 Nov 2024, 7:22pm
today, 7:30pm
Jawohl DuffalArtieJawohl Duffal
No, I think FD cheated players with PMKII that's why real ED players not FDBs are not buying mandas though Starfield has not picked up so far and 2.5K of Starfielders came over bating on manda and PP2.0 that helped FD a bit.
I am not against a negative feedback towards the game/FDev here, if it's constructive at least a bit, as may be seen in the discussion multiple times. But please, no made-up bullshit based on no facts/data/etc. here. Thank you.
Herein is a brief of facts:
Initial release of PMKII for ARX is the classical case of false advertising. It was the first ARX ship which was heavily advertised by FD as a superior medium combat ship (unfounded performance claims). A lot of players bought ARX to get that ship. In reality it turned out that it is not a superior combat ship but just OK one barely surpassing MKII. Its index for OUs is only 17, yes it has SCO but players would hardly use it because of small fuel tank. When I addressed to FD that something is not right about the ship, initially they said that space was taken by SCO and 2 extra utility spots but then they mentioned that ship was nerfed on purpose otherwise the ship would be too good so it would shadow other combat ships. Now when Manda has arrived, it contrasts the above even more clear. Manda has SCO and it has matching fuel tank and its OU index is 30. Somehow SCO did not take OUs space. Another thing did you noticed the difference how advertising for Manda was done. It was done mostly by some third parties not by FD directly. FD did release short video close to launch date but they never claim that it is superior travel ship, they even were honest for a change showing that you will jump further but you will find the same FAC (Fonticulue Campestris – Amethyst). “Don't forget that no one actually needs to be deceived or misled for a court to find that an advertisement is misleading”.
In short, they lied and scammed us sort of.
today, 8:21pm
Jawohl Duffal...
Let me put it bluntly: All ships, in default configuration, are a F'n joke.
Lowest rated parts in every slot, if any. WTF is that all about?
Why even bother? Sell me a empty hull and I'll fill it with parts I see fit. Wasting my funny-money on crap I do not need is not "making it a game". It's a complete waste of my time.
They are literally selling a cargo ship/hauler that cant move cargo, a fighter that cant fight and aww... the explorer that cant jump.
today, 8:37pm
Because as far as I know, even if I still prefer my Krait MK II for playing PvE CZs, those being the stock stats of Python MK II and FDL respectively, shows the Python to be superior as a combat ship even before engineering.
When it comes to weapons it's pretty much the same, the only thing I don't like about the Python are the hardpoint location, but I have thoroughly compared both ships and the only advantage the FDL has is top and boost speed, when you do CZs with a Krait MK II you know that those are not the dominant factor, Weapons, Armor and Shields are.
The FDL single Class 4 Weapon slot doesn't compensate for the fact that without enough Power, her 4 X Class 2 Weapon slots are just pea shooters, unless you compromise with your shields to mount 2B MODIFIED GUARDIAN PLASMA CHARGER, my Krait takes 4 of them with good shielding, plus a 3C BEAM LASER [GIMBALLED] Long range ︎︎︎︎︎ Thermal Vent. Now that's how I conceive a Combat ship of this class but for this, you need a Class 7 Power Plant.
Even if I never use my Python MK II those days, I'm still glad I purchased both variants as support for the development team (I kept only the Premium), from where I'm standing, they, with the FDL are of the same class with a clear edge in favor of the Python, but when it comes to Combat fit, the are behind the Krait MK II simply because they can't support both strong shield and high Power Draw weapons with the Class 6 POWER PLANT they can both accommodate vs the Class 7 for the Krait.
So instead of complaining about how ED advertised those ships, perhaps it would be worth looking at the ships stats first then appreciate the effort.
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Artie
I am not against a negative feedback towards the game/FDev here, if it's constructive at least a bit, as may be seen in the discussion multiple times. But please, no made-up bullshit based on no facts/data/etc. here. Thank you.
Agreed, it has to be based on FACTS, I engineered both the FDL pretty much the reference for many players and the Python MK II BACK TO BACK and posted my finding in this topic, to me most of the critics are unfunded and on top of which they are uninformed.
I have my own critics about both ships and the data doesn't lie, to make of them genuine Combat ships, they need a Class 7 Power Plant, even so the FDL have been dominant in PVP for a long time, I wouldn't take one in one of the frantic CZ episodes I've seen.
In some circumstances, the Krait MK II is simply more suited.
Last edit: 16 Nov 2024, 8:47pm
today, 9:22pm
Jawohl DuffalArtie
I am not against a negative feedback towards the game/FDev here, if it's constructive at least a bit, as may be seen in the discussion multiple times. But please, no made-up bullshit based on no facts/data/etc. here. Thank you.
Herein is a brief of facts:
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Now that's better (although it doesn't address an entire post and claims made).
AH
Let me put it bluntly: All ships, in default configuration, are a F'n joke.
Lowest rated parts in every slot, if any. WTF is that all about?
Why even bother? Sell me a empty hull and I'll fill it with parts I see fit. Wasting my funny-money on crap I do not need is not "making it a game". It's a complete waste of my time.
They are literally selling a cargo ship/hauler that cant move cargo, a fighter that cant fight and aww... the explorer that cant jump.
The sold ships for ARX were never meant to be with the best possible loadout (as far as I remember they even explicitly stated that). They are only an (early) unlock or just with a little extra. So you are complaining about something that was never an intention. Any regular ship you buy for credits is similarly useless.
today, 9:27pm
Someone's never taken an FDL with plasma accelerators into a conflict zone, apparently. Class 4 efficient/thermal shock beam, 4 efficient C2 PAs, prismatic shield to boot, running on an armored powerplant. Assuming I don't suck with my aim too much, can solo a high CZ and bullies things like Anacondas easily.
And the reason why it and the P(ee) MKII don't have a size 7 is for that magical thing called "game balance", which considers more factors than whether someone wants to mount five overcharged of everything without having to make any considerations on if they can/want to do it without compromises elsewhere. The PMKII would just be completely ridiculous if it had the core internals of a Krait.
Although the balance is already questionable considering how the P boat is already obscenely over the top even with its downsides and "just" size 6 power/distributor, to the point where you'd have to ask yourself what the point of an FDL is besides its sole advantage of "better shields", or if you just like the ship.
You can also read this as "Why I don't want to bother with the Piss MKII", because it is a ridiculous ship. And, from my perspective, not in a good way. At least with a T8 it specifically fills a cargo hauling niche for medium pads and just that, while the Python (original Python) retains its 'jack of all trades' position, and the Mandalay... well... supposedly an explorer but I guess it makes for a decent combat ship even with a C5 distributor to limit its potential.
today, 9:44pm
In any case, the Premiums are well equipped with A Grade modules, if a player wants to change those, it's easy to do, each player can fit their ships as they like.
There's no point whining about how it must be done, nobody paid for my Carrier and my ships, most of them fully engineered, but I know a thing for sure; if it had been easier, it wouldn't be so rewarding.
I just come back from a CZ sortie with my Krait MK II I blasted everything that moved, from Viper to Anaconda and didn't need to use a single Shield cell Bank, although it was a comparatively easy one, that's says a lot about the ship but also about the work I have put on to make of her a Combat ship as they should be.
It goes for every type in this game, they all have their forte and weaknesses, and I really appreciate the development effort put into them, now we have more variety with more to come, I can't wait for the next one.
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